• Gutek8134@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Violence is not the answer, it’s the question, and the answer is always yes.

    ~Doomguy

  • Mango@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    I’m not even against the killing of people. Only suffering bothers me.

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      6 months ago

      Hey, you most likely weren’t raised vegan, too. I’d also argue that to oppose suffering, you have to give individuals (i.e./that is people) some sort of worth, but then most killing doesn’t check out.

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        6 months ago

        Naw, I know some people with negative worth who still shouldn’t be suffering. In fact, I’m pretty sure they’re suffering from their lack of worth. This is a matter of ethics, not value.

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          6 months ago

          Those might be suffering from lack of self-worth, but making difference between people’s worth opens up a can of ethical mold. Misanthropy is one thing, but the value of human life is untouchable.

          • Mango@lemmy.world
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            6 months ago

            No, that attitude is simple evolutionary pressure to stay alive. The value of a human is no different from the value of a cow ethically, and I’ll eat cow. I don’t want either to suffer. Some people are economically far less valuable than cows.

            • 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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              6 months ago

              Cultural evolution > Social Darwinism

              Do you eat human? From a “farm”? Or shot “in the wild”?

              Right to exist is not touched by effort.

              Do you know what would reduce suffering for both cow and human?

              • Mango@lemmy.world
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                6 months ago

                Nobody has a right to exist. You have to fight just like anything else.

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                  6 months ago

                  I really hope for your environment that you don’t actually believe or implement this.

  • 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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    6 months ago

    Hey, you most likely weren’t raised vegan, too. I’d also argue that to oppose suffering, you have to give individuals (i.e./that is people) some sort of worth, but then killing that isn’t self-defense doesn’t check out.

  • xia@lemmy.sdf.org
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    6 months ago

    So THAT’S why i only eat meat when i’m in front of my vegan friends!