One of Washington’s largest corporate tax breaks has grown alongside a data center boom in Central Washington, including this data center in East Wenatchee owned by the Sabey Corp. Despite forgoing more than $474 million since 2018, the state can’t say how many jobs were created by the tax break. During that same time frame, it also hasn’t evaluated whether the revenue loss was worth it.

  • PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    32
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    3 months ago

    Datacenters are absolutely not “job creators.” They are necessary for the life we enjoy, they are relatively clean as their major input is electricity and their output is heat. But huge fully functional DCs only need around 20people to run while providing zero local or even state revenue other then property taxes and whatever utility taxes are still applicable to them.

    Obviously e-waste is a huge problem, but that is independent of the datacenter itself.

    • DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      3 months ago

      DCs do indirectly create/support a lot of jobs, though. Construction is an obvious one, but even running a DC requires lots of additional people that often aren’t employed by the DC owner/operator.

      I can absolutely attest to the fact that it takes even less than 20 directly-employed people to run an entire DC, including the racks of gear within it. But there are quite literally dozens and dozens more contractors and vendors involved in maintaining the facility and the equipment within them:

      • Physical security
      • Fire systems
      • Building controls
      • Electrical
        • HV and LV can often be separate sets of skills/contractors
      • Refrigeration
      • Mechanical
        • Critical mechanical - generators, etc
        • Regular mechanical - electric gates,etc
      • Plumbing and gasfitting
      • Water experts (cooling towers, etc)
      • Building maintenance contractors
      • Gardeners

      And the list goes on. My point is that DCs can absolutely be a significant driver of employment and economic activity, just not all directly.

      • PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        3 months ago

        Yea I suppose the maintenance of those systems provides some employable benefit. So let’s say 1000 contractors, is that worth ~500million in tax breaks over 6 years? I’d say absolutely not. If that number were 100x or even 10x maybe, but ultimately it’s 500million stolen by the private entities based on exaggerated employment claims and dubious accounting.

  • TCB13@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    19
    ·
    3 months ago

    So what, people need cloud services and Netherlands did the same and became one of the top spot for datacenters in Europe and nobody is bitching around.

    • czardestructo@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      28
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      3 months ago

      Needing something is one thing, tax payer subsidies is another topic entirely. State tax payers have now all chipped in for these Data centers and the question is was it worth it for them.

        • sunzu@kbin.run
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          3 months ago

          Taxpyer is the ultimate bagholder in today’s economy. All the risk, all the costs zero fucking return.

          buT 20 JoBs we MaDE for PeAsaNTs rhEee

      • TCB13@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        3 months ago

        tax payer subsidies

        It’s not subsidies, it is tax breaks if companies go there. A very different thing.

    • sunzu@kbin.run
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      3 months ago

      If taxpayer pays for capex, taxpayer should get equity, my dear bootlicker