why are y’all scared of taking responsibility for allowing a Nazi to gain power when you decided to not vote
I voted for Kamala but I still blame the DNC
the issue is two fold
a) they played games with democracy, further accelerating the erosion of whatever little faith remains in our democracy institutions. there should have been a primary, not the underhanded switcharoo we got to witness where for the first time in US history since primaries were a thing… we had a presidential candidate nominated without a single vote
b) while voters are struggling and going through a period of profound insecurity - not only financially but in a very real social sense - they offer more of the same. neoliberal status quo. people are desperate for change and the DNC offers them nothing.
you blame the voters but you do not want to put an ounce of blame on the party that would rather lose an election than offer meaningful change
i guess the implication is that he puts more blame on the voters, as that is what his comments are mainly focused on.
me personally I don’t blame the voters at all. just like I don’t blame the German public for voting in the Nazis.
humans are stupid herd animals who will elect strongmen when they feel weak and scared.
i believe you can only put blame on people that have autonomy. and the only people with any real autonomy in this country are the elites, which have stuck their fingers in their ears and their heads in the sand for far too long.
the pressure pot is cooking and I think it’s too late to stop it. maybe if we were a little less greedy over the last few decades and a little less focused on the short term, we could have skipped this resurgence of fascism that we’re about to live through
but politicians only care about the next election and corporations only care about the next quarter. we are a short term society and have sacrificed the long term health of our country
Interesting. That’s an angle I’ll have to consider. It seems like democracy with fixed terms and term limits has a similar problem to capitalism: myopia.
Voting for a Nazi won’t make things better, but when people are desperate they want change, any change. Weimar Germany was democratic, Hitler and the Nazi party legitimately won the popular vote.
Why doesn’t the DNC have any responsibility in your point of view?
Blaming the voters is insane. The DNC doesn’t learn from their mistakes and keeps putting up awful candidates that are only there because they will maintain the status quo.
We want progress, not the same shitty economy and no healthcare and no response to climate change.
Harris offers essentially the same platform as Trump.
I know that’s going to upset y’all, but she wants the same things but with a different aesthetic.
Looking at her immigration policy tells you most of what you need to know about her. Look at her stance on the genocide. Look at her stance on the environment and fracking. It’s all the same as Trump.
So yeah, you’re goddamn right it’s not good enough.
You could not be more incorrect on more levels if you tried.
How exactly was Harris trying to put out this fire again? By welcoming the war criminal Dick Cheney into the party with open arms? By arguing with Trump that she’s more pro fracking and pro genocide than he is?
Harris’s platform offered zero solutions to anything. Her entire thing was “brat vibes” and also I support the corporate powers that be even harder than Trump does. She was literally offering a harder border policy than TRUMP.
I’m not exactly sure what you think she was saving us from.
If the house wasn’t on fire we wouldn’t need to save the people. Your strategy will never save the people in the house. Neither landlord cares about the people, only the companies providing services.
You do realize literally nothing has happened yet. Are you some sort of gypsy fortune teller and know what will happen?
We didnt have democracy before and we dont have it now. Nothing changed. Nothing burned down. You are acting like we had a nice house to live in before, but we didnt.
I’m sorry the illusion of american excellence was broken for you this cycle but I’ll let you know it was broken the whole time.
It is the political party’s responsibility to put up a candidate worth voting for. We do not owe political parties mindless allegiance. You’ve got it backwards.
The government is supposed to work for us, not the other way around.
Harris was always a bad candidate and she had a terrible platform.
Anti universal healthcare, pro genocide, pro fracking. She literally got into a pissing contest during the debate against Trump where she was insisting that she was more pro Israel and more pro fracking than Trump.
The DNC has to put up decent candidates. They have to earn our votes. They are not entitled to them.
Cool. Nazis taking over America and your memeing a womp womp in response to criticism of your dumbass analysis that has failed twice now. Real big brains you’re working with over there.
The blame falls on people in power not delivering for the working class/poor. There is no better ally for the GOP than modern spineless Dems who center their politics around them. Every third party voter could have voted for Harris and she still would have lost.
Cope all you want. But she made the choice to court Republicans and chase the ghosts of Cheney Era Voters and paid for it. When Trump can position himself as to speaking to working class issues than a Dem.
" hybrid between leftist and Democrat" Yeah a centrists no need to rebrand it.
The word Nazi has lost all meaning. You sound like a maga calling Kamala names. You have no idea what trump will do, and they are not literal nazis as much as it makes you feel better to call them that.
The only difference in this election was which party would fuck us this time, but we are all really tired of the democrats fucking us and would like to see if the republicans can fuck us better.
The problem you have is this idea that america is better than this. Its not. Read your history.
If you really believe Nazis are taking over shouldnt you be one of the people who leaves the country before things get bad? Why aren’t you advising people on how to resist this occupation? Or is it not a takeover and the public actually chose this?
Brother I voted harris. And while I fucking wish that everyone was either politically conscious enough or willing to let the ego drop for the time required to keep a Nazi out, they ain’t. They never have and they never will. It’s wishing upon a star and being utterly depressed and pissed that your wish didn’t come true. It is better to blame the things in life you can change than wishing people were just different.
Ultimately you are upset at people for not ignoring the obvious failings of the DNC rather than upset at the DNC for not fixing their shit. They keep courting the right wing, they keep running Republican talking points. Right now I tune into CN fucking N and get some democrat strategist blaming trans people for existing.
I cannot blame the people who didn’t vote. The DNC actively fucked them over, spit on them and told them shut up and stop protesting. That pisses people off and turns them away from you.
While I too wish we could do a lesser evil route here, that is wishing upon a star and no amount of shaming by you or the DNC will change that. Your yelling at a wall.
I don’t understand the “we were to small to matter” argument I’ve been seeing. If that’s true, why on Earth would you expect to matter enough to move the Democratic platform, or to shape society after leftists “burn it all down” (whatever that means)?
The argument is based on third party people who voted. They aren’t including the group of likely voters who didnt, mainly because thats not easy to calculate.
They can see how many registered democrats vs have voted but I’m not sure about the other parties, if people register for them the same way.
I blame both groups. Both groups are known to be stubborn to the point of short sightedness. Lemmy has a lot of blaming of both at the moment and it’s fair
Why are y’all so scared of blaming the people in power who failed reaching voters?
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I voted for Kamala but I still blame the DNC
the issue is two fold
a) they played games with democracy, further accelerating the erosion of whatever little faith remains in our democracy institutions. there should have been a primary, not the underhanded switcharoo we got to witness where for the first time in US history since primaries were a thing… we had a presidential candidate nominated without a single vote
b) while voters are struggling and going through a period of profound insecurity - not only financially but in a very real social sense - they offer more of the same. neoliberal status quo. people are desperate for change and the DNC offers them nothing.
you blame the voters but you do not want to put an ounce of blame on the party that would rather lose an election than offer meaningful change
Uh…
What is this, if not shared blame?
i guess the implication is that he puts more blame on the voters, as that is what his comments are mainly focused on.
me personally I don’t blame the voters at all. just like I don’t blame the German public for voting in the Nazis.
humans are stupid herd animals who will elect strongmen when they feel weak and scared.
i believe you can only put blame on people that have autonomy. and the only people with any real autonomy in this country are the elites, which have stuck their fingers in their ears and their heads in the sand for far too long.
the pressure pot is cooking and I think it’s too late to stop it. maybe if we were a little less greedy over the last few decades and a little less focused on the short term, we could have skipped this resurgence of fascism that we’re about to live through
but politicians only care about the next election and corporations only care about the next quarter. we are a short term society and have sacrificed the long term health of our country
Interesting. That’s an angle I’ll have to consider. It seems like democracy with fixed terms and term limits has a similar problem to capitalism: myopia.
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Voting for a Nazi won’t make things better, but when people are desperate they want change, any change. Weimar Germany was democratic, Hitler and the Nazi party legitimately won the popular vote.
So the democrat deciding to run as the corporatist party again is the voters fault?
Even running an unpopular campaign that was guaranteed to continue genocide and corporate profiteering, they lost to Trump with all his baggage.
Maybe people care a lot less who a person is than what problems they say they will fix.
I’d suggest you move to a blue state if you are really concerned, and I’ll see you in four years for the next election.
How’s that tactic of browbeating and blaming voters working out for ya?
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Why doesn’t the DNC have any responsibility in your point of view?
Blaming the voters is insane. The DNC doesn’t learn from their mistakes and keeps putting up awful candidates that are only there because they will maintain the status quo.
We want progress, not the same shitty economy and no healthcare and no response to climate change.
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No it wasn’t good enough.
Harris offers essentially the same platform as Trump.
I know that’s going to upset y’all, but she wants the same things but with a different aesthetic.
Looking at her immigration policy tells you most of what you need to know about her. Look at her stance on the genocide. Look at her stance on the environment and fracking. It’s all the same as Trump.
So yeah, you’re goddamn right it’s not good enough.
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Did you make this post so you could vent or something? If you are too upset to talk about the topic why post the meme?
I did what I had to do, which is vote.
The campaign’s job was to get other people to vote. They failed at their job.
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Should the DNC have put forward a candidate that was fairly selected with grass roots support among the wider voting population?
No, it’s the voters who are at fault.
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Yes. Other countries manage just fine.
Maybe they didn’t purposely withhold votes. Maybe they were just not enthusiastic enough about the DNC candidate.
This is not democracy. It’s a corporatocracy that’s one candidate away from dictatorship.
The house is on fire because the two greedy landlords have refused to do basic maintenance and listen to the concerns of their tenants.
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Holy shit.
You could not be more incorrect on more levels if you tried.
How exactly was Harris trying to put out this fire again? By welcoming the war criminal Dick Cheney into the party with open arms? By arguing with Trump that she’s more pro fracking and pro genocide than he is?
Harris’s platform offered zero solutions to anything. Her entire thing was “brat vibes” and also I support the corporate powers that be even harder than Trump does. She was literally offering a harder border policy than TRUMP.
I’m not exactly sure what you think she was saving us from.
If the house wasn’t on fire we wouldn’t need to save the people. Your strategy will never save the people in the house. Neither landlord cares about the people, only the companies providing services.
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And the fault is the landlords in charge of the house. Not the people living in it.
The people wanted a fire extinguisher
One landlord was offering a wet blanket.
The other was offering petrol.
You do realize literally nothing has happened yet. Are you some sort of gypsy fortune teller and know what will happen?
We didnt have democracy before and we dont have it now. Nothing changed. Nothing burned down. You are acting like we had a nice house to live in before, but we didnt.
I’m sorry the illusion of american excellence was broken for you this cycle but I’ll let you know it was broken the whole time.
Angry man is better than others because he did the right thing.
Good job angry man.
It is the political party’s responsibility to put up a candidate worth voting for. We do not owe political parties mindless allegiance. You’ve got it backwards.
The government is supposed to work for us, not the other way around.
Harris was always a bad candidate and she had a terrible platform.
Anti universal healthcare, pro genocide, pro fracking. She literally got into a pissing contest during the debate against Trump where she was insisting that she was more pro Israel and more pro fracking than Trump.
The DNC has to put up decent candidates. They have to earn our votes. They are not entitled to them.
Great campaign strategy buddy. Why don’t you work as an analyst?
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Cool. Nazis taking over America and your memeing a womp womp in response to criticism of your dumbass analysis that has failed twice now. Real big brains you’re working with over there.
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Brother I get your mad about the election but your crashing out on a Lemmy comment chain about it.
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I’m sorry, who’s strategy lost the election? Maybe stop dick riding the gameplan that didn’t work.
You go girl! Blame them dumbass voters and learn absolutely nothing from this.
Are you at least aware enough to understand why they refer to guys like yourself as blue MAGA?
The blame falls on people in power not delivering for the working class/poor. There is no better ally for the GOP than modern spineless Dems who center their politics around them. Every third party voter could have voted for Harris and she still would have lost.
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Cope all you want. But she made the choice to court Republicans and chase the ghosts of Cheney Era Voters and paid for it. When Trump can position himself as to speaking to working class issues than a Dem.
" hybrid between leftist and Democrat" Yeah a centrists no need to rebrand it.
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Greatest campaign strategy known to man. Do nothing, shit talk your base, be surprised when you lose. Classic DNC.
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The word Nazi has lost all meaning. You sound like a maga calling Kamala names. You have no idea what trump will do, and they are not literal nazis as much as it makes you feel better to call them that.
The only difference in this election was which party would fuck us this time, but we are all really tired of the democrats fucking us and would like to see if the republicans can fuck us better.
The problem you have is this idea that america is better than this. Its not. Read your history.
If you really believe Nazis are taking over shouldnt you be one of the people who leaves the country before things get bad? Why aren’t you advising people on how to resist this occupation? Or is it not a takeover and the public actually chose this?
Brother I voted harris. And while I fucking wish that everyone was either politically conscious enough or willing to let the ego drop for the time required to keep a Nazi out, they ain’t. They never have and they never will. It’s wishing upon a star and being utterly depressed and pissed that your wish didn’t come true. It is better to blame the things in life you can change than wishing people were just different.
Ultimately you are upset at people for not ignoring the obvious failings of the DNC rather than upset at the DNC for not fixing their shit. They keep courting the right wing, they keep running Republican talking points. Right now I tune into CN fucking N and get some democrat strategist blaming trans people for existing.
I cannot blame the people who didn’t vote. The DNC actively fucked them over, spit on them and told them shut up and stop protesting. That pisses people off and turns them away from you.
While I too wish we could do a lesser evil route here, that is wishing upon a star and no amount of shaming by you or the DNC will change that. Your yelling at a wall.
I don’t understand the “we were to small to matter” argument I’ve been seeing. If that’s true, why on Earth would you expect to matter enough to move the Democratic platform, or to shape society after leftists “burn it all down” (whatever that means)?
The argument is based on third party people who voted. They aren’t including the group of likely voters who didnt, mainly because thats not easy to calculate.
They can see how many registered democrats vs have voted but I’m not sure about the other parties, if people register for them the same way.
I guess I’m focused on the professed, not measured, group size.
I blame both groups. Both groups are known to be stubborn to the point of short sightedness. Lemmy has a lot of blaming of both at the moment and it’s fair