• NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    I swear this isn’t a get off my lawn post

    Proceeds to spend 5 paragraphs complaining about what people call the original Javascript. He has some valid points, but this is very much an older developer complaining about the new generation of devs.

    • mbirth@lemmy.ml
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      3 months ago

      new generation of devs

      The new generation of devs sadly has a lot of people that only can type what they want to achieve into ChatGPT and blindly copy whatever code snippet it comes up with. But they can’t develop. Nor do they understand code written by others. They’re the reason things like NodeJS’s is-even package exists.

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        3 months ago

        We’ve been saying that about new devs since there became a second generation of devs

        Except when I was a new dev, it was blindly copying stuff from stack overflow

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          2 months ago

          In Phaedrus, Socrates talks about the invention of writing:
          “it will introduce forgetfulness into the soul of those who learn it: they will not practice using their memory because they will put their trust in writing, which is external and depends on signs that belong to others, instead of trying to remember from the inside, completely on their own. You have not discovered a potion for remembering, but for reminding; you provide your students with the appearance of wisdom, not with its reality. Your invention will enable them to hear many things without being properly taught, and they will imagine that they have come to know much while for the most part they will know nothing. And they will be difficult to get along with, since they will merely appear to be wise instead of really being so.”

      • Vincent@feddit.nl
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        3 months ago

        Published 8 years ago

        I didn’t know that the new generation of developers were that far along in their careers already.

      • NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        This is a generalization that has some merit. but ultimately, generalizing an entire group of people and making assumptions about them isn’t a good way to judge an individuals ability to code.

        See what they can do, and then judge.

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        3 months ago

        This isn’t the new generation of devs. This is just new devs. Some people refuse to grow out of this stage.

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          2 months ago

          New devs generally suck, I sucked a lot.

          The problem I fear today is that there are more crutches new devs can rely on, until they can’t.

          And it’s not a sharp boundary between getting by and not being able to work it

          • Rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world
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            2 months ago

            More crutches is definitely a problem. Personally, after vocally refusing to use chatgpt for months, my boss has now sat me down and told me to use it because it “halves his development time”.

            My colleague and boss use it constantly. Guess whose job has become mostly debugging their code when they can’t get it to work and don’t know why?

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      2 months ago

      I dunno some of these feel like fundamentals that any web dev should know.

      You’re gonna have headaches down the road if you don’t know hiw static html works.