I’ve found that a good way to check for actual tolerance in a group is how they treat their furries.
Also, the furries make the internet work. plz. I need the furry hacking power in the world.
I think one of the hardest things to overcome for me is that I don’t have to “get it”. As long as it doesn’t hurt anyone, who cares? Even if it “makes you uncomfortable”, there are so many situations that might have made you uncomfortable the first time you experienced them - did all of those uncomfortable situations result in something terrible? If not, then we should embrace being uncomfortable as a transitional period that could end in something really cool!
Specifically being a furry doesn’t hurt anyone, but furry cons are banned from numerous hotels for… Reasons. And that fuels negative stereotypes.
I don’t understand a lot about human physiology and just accepting that other people are different than I am has allowed me to live and let live.
Intolerant of intolerance though, speaking up used to make me uncomfortable but now I almost revel in it. I encourage any future ally to just start speaking up, baby steps at first. “Hey, that’s not cool.” “Well, my relative is gay and they are a great person.”
It’s amazing how often a soft-handed approach like “hey that was a mean thing to say” will make fuckers INSTANTLY back down and do that weak ass “oh i was just joking” backpedal.
And even reconsider long held viewpoints. I work with a classic conservative but in the past 6 years he’s started to come around a little. Me, another genx standard construction worker, having a trans kid and just talking has softened his crusty ass quite a bit. Doubt it’s changed his vote but he wouldn’t openly disrespect my kid now
“It’s porn!”
“It’s not, but lets talk about your disrespect for porn.”
I legitimately don’t understand this?
Is this about exluding trans people who are also furries from trans spaces/definitions/whatevers simply bc of the fact they are furries?
H- how does that even work? like what mental gymnastics are necessary for that?!
Lotta people think furries are “cringe” and want to assimilate into cis het society by rejecting anything that doesn’t look like traditional roles and presentation.
Its shit. Furries harm no one for being furry.
Probably some trans people disliking furries. It’s like how some lesbians don’t like trans-women because they’re not “real women”.
hmmm, but isn’t this different even to that?
FARTs (feminism appropriating radical transphobes) use mental gymnastics to deny trans women their “womanhood”.
These mental gymnastics seem (from my pov) pretty “basic” when compared to the hoops you’d have to jump through to deny trans people their “transness” with the goal of excluding them simply bc they are also furries.
And more generally “just” excluding furries from trans (or queer) spaces (f.e. for their supposed “indecency”) makes as much sense as “banning” the kink & BDSM communities from pride, ie. NONE at all
(not comparing the two in terms of nature/“content” but rather significance/impact)
When someone tells me to yiff in hell I laugh and say I already do… Look around ☠️
im an intolerant person because im not tolerant of intolerant people
I mean that’s just the “paradox of tolarence” solved issue. we ain’t tolerant of intolerance
I read a decent rebuttal to the “paradox” of tolerance. To summarize for those that don’t know, the idea is that tolerance is a social contract. You tolerate everyone that’s behaving according to the contract. Refusing to tolerate someone that has broken the contract isn’t a violation of the contract; it’s required in order to enforce the contract.
You break the rules, you lose the protections. Simple as.
My retort to the tolerance paradox is to say “L, deal with it” to bigots who bring it up as a gotcha.
I’ve found that a good way to check for actual tolerance in a group is how they treat their furries.
Isn’t there a very similar Gandhi quote?
If there’s a well known Ghandi quote on furries, I need to crossstitch it and frame it.
The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.
– Mahatma Gandhi
I hope it’s close enough
Everyone has a problem with furries because “it’s sexual” and the usual rebuttal is that not all of it is about sex, but I think this misses the point.
Basically every adult fandom has a sexual element, weebs are the fucking same and no one goes around calling all anime fans perverts. Sexuality is a natural human thing and they have a goddamn right to explore that through their medium. Get to know a furry, they’re just normal fucking people (pun not intended, I’m just Australian).
Beastiality is not a furry thing and should not be lumped into it. Fuck zoophiles.
There’s also a lot of people who will use the abstraction available in furry art/fandom to explore their identity and sexuality, it’s honestly a good space for helping people grow and understand themselves. I’ve known plenty of trans people who’ve only been able to find and accept their being trans through their fursonas. They’re valid as hell and I’ll defend them until I die.
no one goes around calling all anime fans perverts
My buddy. Have you heard of the years 2000 - 2020?
So I wrote a rant about a month ago (November 18th) about my observations regarding furries as a controversy. Curiously, we got some responses from people who were ready to dismiss furries with language akin to dismissing gays (or dismissing blacks).
Hopefully this link works correctly.
Someone even requested Please don’t compare your love for cartoon animals to being lgbt which smacked to me of please don’t compare your desire to be a girl with my desire to love a man even though the mainstream is uncomfortable with all of these groups and is willing to let the white power movement throw rocks at them, or stuff them into
concentration campsdetention centers. That is why LGBT+ all the other groups united, not because they all like the same stuff, but because they’re all systemically oppressed by the identity politics sects.Anyway, some of the points:\
- Most fur enthusiasts are not furverts (people who like furry and also like kink, but not necessarily together) and yiffers (people who deeply and intensely mix the fur stuff and the sex stuff). And yet, when we think of the furry community, we expect them all be in the yiffing pit rutting like bunnies, when most of them just liked Looney Tunes and Tiny Toon Adventures.
- The most telling moment was conservatives on the news talking about schools having litter boxes in the bathrooms for kids who identify as feline. That’s essentially blood libel for furries, a vicious rumor meant to sow hatred for the group while simultaneously sowing fear of schools that are aware of trans kids and want them to grow up with less trauma. But this indicates that yes, Furries are an at risk minority that the white power movement has on their short-list of enemies-within.
- It’s been observed by reviewers and curators of porn (those who look at a variety of flavors of porn) that furry porn is restricted more than other kinds. VISA (yes, the financial and payment service provider) will not process transactions with porn featuring non-human genitals, which is… strangely specific and an odd threshold delineator for indecency / obscenity. A lot of porn providers won’t consider furry porn content at all, even though in the 1990s there were some pretty famous adult dramas featuring porn that were about anthros.
- The Freefall webcomic (still active since 1998) is a science fiction comic about space culture, robots and science, and features ONE (1) anthro, a genetically engineered wolf, and is regarded as a furry comic, and has been excluded from Wikipedia due to lack of notoriety (It has a very large if nerdy following.) I guess because we sometimes like to label things based on first impressions?
TIL Star Trek Lower Decks is a furry show. It’s still my favourite of the new stuff.
