So the “tech genius” doesn’t know how to install windows without a Microsoft account and doesn’t know how to Google it?
May I introduce the man who wants you to think he is a genius!
Thanks Elon for being so transparently incompetent.
And yet my parents still believe that he must have had some competence to be in the place he is at now. Illusion of meritocracy blinds so much.
That is the insane part. Honestly I thought so. I literally read an bias as fuck biography of that guy, believing that I would find some competency. Even they failed to spin the yarn in that way. The most positive spin was effectively “musk is a good promiser/beggar”.
Context, it was in the early Tesla days, in which people hope he would kickstart a change.
Is it possible to do that on latest windows 11 home installation? I thought they disabled local accounts completely.
I struggled through it with two new laptops last month. The command prompt method didn’t work anymore. I was however able to bypass after disconnecting the Internet a few times during the setup process to make it fail at trying to create an online account. It’s like it will finally give up after two or three times and allowed me to setup a local account finally.
You have to sort of dig specifically for the newer fixes, the old ones dont work usually.
It sure looked like an option last time I tried, but it was more hassle and I was just trying to create a guest account for a friend, so I didn’t bother.
Also Microsoft backed off on the intrusive AI stuff about 5 minutes after announcing it because there was such an uproar. The funny part is I was working for Microsoft at the time, and you could tell the leadership really thought consumers were gonna love it.
Last time I tried, disconnecting the PC from the internet worked.
Remember when it was possible to browse Twitter unrestricted without having to sign up with an account? Those were good times.
My exact first thought. If he’s going to abuse his power and force govt services to provide twitter updates it should be accessible to all without restriction.
The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) on Saturday said it will stop e-mailing news organizations and reporters with updates about two plane crashes that occurred earlier this week.
Moving forward, the federal agency tasked with investigating transportation-related accidents and disasters said news organizations and reporters will have to follow the agency’s official account on Xhttps://thedesk.net/2025/02/ntsb-moves-plane-crash-press-updates-x-twitter/
Don’t you need to create an X account just to look at posts on X?
Use xcancel.com to see tweets without an account.
Your comment shows up twice. Which Lemmy client are you using?
Web and Voyager in iOS. The web front end of ah.itjust.works has been a bit sluggish today though and sometimes showed errors when posting.
Don’t you need to give all your information to AI if you have ever interacted with the government in the past?
Use xcancel.com to see tweets without an account.
For anyone reading this that has to install Windows, when you get to the point where it asks you to log into a Microsoft account, hit shift+F10, type oobe\bypassnro into the command prompt and after it reboots select “I don’t have an account”…
I would still maintain that Linux is a better option though.
Yeah but with Linux you have to open up a terminal and input cryptic commands someone on the internet gave you in order to stop the distro from spying on you… /s
in order to stop the distro from spying on you…
This is where you lost me. Literally no one thinks this. Even the most anti-Linux folks on the planet don’t pretend Linux spies on you more than Microsoft…
Wasn’t that method patched out of the installer?
Nope, it still there
No. Still needed in smaller business environments if you’re onboarding a new machine.
o7 to those who can’t get it from massgrave.dev ig, at least I’m glad I was mistaken
I don’t think it’s that simple anymore, I had to disconnect from the internet and other shenanigans
WHO THE FUCK SAYS “PC LAPTOP”??
Did he type that from his laptop phone? Maybe speech-to-text from his cell phone smartwatch?
He needs to dumb it down for his followers
Yeah, those xAI bots aren’t yet at the same level as ChatGPT
I might be dumb. PC vs Mac is a common way to differentiate. Laptop vs stationary is a common way to differentiate. Isn’t “PC Laptop” a pretty descriptive and non-overlapping way to unambinguiusly distinguish the item?
It’s mostly a marketing gimmick, same as people who say “tablet or iPad”.
In this case in particular is complaining about windows, it would be a stretch to think it’s an apple computer.
People who know about Mac laptops.
In that case it would be a Windows laptop. PC stands for Personal Computer. It has nothing to do with the OS.
The Mac vs PC ads back in the day influenced language a bit
If you want to eat up Apple’s marketing then yeah.
A good chunk of the population did.
Even if that were true, does that mean that we should all accept it and drink the Apple Kool-Aid? A PC was, is and will always be a Personal Computer.
Kinda? Whether you like it not that’s just how society functions. You either acknowledge what society decides or you end up becoming the guy who argues that drawing swastikas doesn’t make you a nazi because it’s a symbol of luck.
And if you want to go down the rabbit hole of “PC is personal computer” good luck defining what a computer is without defaulting to what society thinks a computer is, because technically your phone is a computer that is for your personal use. Your phone is a PC. In a sense so is your TV and your gaming console and the steam deck and possibly even your fridge. Maybe even your car.
Save yourself the headache and use PC as you understand it while accepting that others have a different meaning for PC.
PC absolutely has to do with the OS in certain contexts. Do you not remember the “Hi, I’m a Mac.” “And I’m a PC.” Line of commercials?
Example of the usage: https://www.computerworld.com/article/1568544/mac-vs-pc-cost-analysis-how-does-it-all-add-up.html
This is because long ago there was the Apple Macintosh and the IBM Personal Computer. So things that were “PC compatible” were not Macs. So the term got applied to Windows stuff. It’s not used very much now, but that article is from 2007.
So while it’s correct terminology to say Windows are PCs and Macs aren’t, it’s pretty outdated and another example of his failure to be recent on tech trends. I don’t think I’ve used the term PC to mean Windows since 2020 at least. Probably longer.
I do remember those ads but I did not know about the IBM Personal Computer distinction, to be honest. Thanks for the added context!
Ah yes, I love the Microsoft Personal Computer 11
the world’s richest man, de facto president, head of the tech oligarchy, is complaining about corporations irritating him.
If only there was a sort of consumer protection bureau of some sort. To regulate these types of things…
For the world’s smartest guy, he sure is stupid
Anyone who thinks he’s the smartest guy at anything has been organically lobotomized by a brain worm
Wait we don’t live in a meritocracy after all?
Opposite
No I am not seeing it I use Linux
See? That’s why you’re not a genius like Elon Musk! He knows that Linux is too hard!
It’s simple z we buy Microsoft
And then proceed to run it off a cliff
Oh please, musk, buy Microsoft, please please
My god that would be funny
Ah, yes. Now you need a twitter/x account to login instead of a Microsoft account AND all possibilities to create a local account are removed. Be careful what you wish for.
We know how this ends
- Elon complains
- Elon buys
- Elon destroys
If Elon destroyed MS, that would be a net positive.
Microsoft has a market cap of over 3 trillion.
Musk is crazy stupid rich times a million, but he’s an order of magnitude shy of being able to bully Microsoft with his wallet. With the resources of the US government, sure. but not his checkbook.
Click domain join instead and then create a local account
That option only shows up when you set up Pro edition unfortunately.
Shift F10 opens a command window, OOBE\bypassnro
Or run ipconfig /release
This will disconnect your internet connection for a moment and allow you to create a local account.
Ah yes, that well documented command that any regular user is going to know about…
All I can come up with is snarky comments. Sorry.
If you are savvy enough to be outraged at it, you’re savvy enough to look up the commands to bypass it in 2 minutes.
RTFM oh wait it’s Windows.
This
I feel like someone as rich as Musk probably boight Windows Pro.
I’ve had 2 instances where the Shift+F10 method didn’t work on a Windows 11 Home edition install. 1 was a brand new HP laptop I set up for a friend. It came with a bunch of bloatware so I created a bootable USB and reinstalled the OS. It didn’t pull up a command prompt when I tried the command no matter what I did. The second was at work. I accidentally let it update during the setup and afterwards it accepted the bypass command, but still never gave me the option to log in without a Microsoft account. I have a feeling they’re phasing that option out for Home.
At least Pro has the domain join option. Still it sucks that Bitlocker gets set up automatically and associates the key with the first Microsoft account you sign in with.
S mode!
If you buy one in s mode, then you can’t run 3rd party programs or particular built-in ones. That includes command prompt, which is why shift-f10 didn’t work. It’s ok as you can get out of it by, going to the ms store after logging in as an admin!
We now see the problem with s mode in the out of box experience.
You’re right, it was in S mode. I had to create a junk email address to unlock it. The original account was an admin but it wouldn’t remove S mode without an MS account.
You can unlock by editing the registry.
Tricky part is doing that in SMode because regedit is blocked.
Political relevance be damned, anyway…
You can press SHIFT+F10 keys to open Command Prompt.
Execute OOBE\BYPASSNRO command then.
After this, setup will reboot the computer and after reboot, you’ll get a new option I don’t have Internet or Continue with limited setup to skip the Internet requirement.
I did this when installing Windows 11 for a friend, was also my first experience installing Windows 11 as well. Having to open a command line during the installation process really nullifies the “Windows easy” and “linux hard” stereotype.
Thats the thing, you dont HAVE to install without a MS account. That is your choice.
Most people don’t care and create an MS account anyway. And they don’t have to use any command line.
Also a single command line still does not compare to Linux.
Nothing is nullified
It’s not “your choice” if you have to hack the installer to do it, something 99.99% of people wouldn’t even understand if you tried to explain if to them.
Also a single command line does not compare to Linux
Outside of l33t h4kzors distros like Arch, Linux OS installers have not required any command line invocation for at least two decades. Just enter your username, wifi info, etc and click next until it’s done.
Ubuntu installer is like 4 clicks.
And it boots to a fully updated install if you connect to the network in the wizard, unlike Windows which might take as much as a full business day to update itself depending on the age of the install medium
Same for Linux Mint I guess
Not to be terribly, terribly pedantic but it’s a setup wizard, not an installer, so your comparison kind of falls flat on it’s face.
This helps me remember:
OOBE - Out-Of-Box Experience
NRO - Network Restriction OfflineAlso, make sure the network isn’t plugged in. If Windows detects a connection you have to start all over.
You don’t even have to do all that. Just do the install offline.
Oh Sweet Win10 Child
(Should we tell them? I mean… about the horrors of Win11?)
I set up win11 like 3 weeks ago with just not connecting it to the internet
Not true. Without the workaround, they make it impossible to move forward with installation without a network connection.
he’s gonna buy Microsoft and rename it MicroXoft for fucks sake.
Read it as micrococks
Ctrl+F10 and oobe\bypassnro
As long as it’s not in S mode. Can’t run cmd in S mode.
Windows S sucks anyway, why would anyone use this?
Because it was really cheap and they didn’t know the difference is the usual reason I encounter.
Really, is it cheaper? I didn’t know that. But you can still bypass S Mode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUvBSt66Wpk
Finally got a chance to watch this video. I don’t know enough about how Windows works to have found the exploits they did, but I do know it well enough to understand what they did and found it hilarious. It’s more practical to actually get out of S mode, but making everything run despite still being in S mode was a good laugh.
Well, it’s always pre installed on the cheapest laptops. Yeah, there are ways around it still, but it’s not quite as easy as the old bypassnro.
AFAIK they offer a free upgrade to the home version of Windows?
Yeah, it’s technically already home version, just in a special mode, and it’s trivial to switch out of if you don’t mind connecting your Microsoft account to the computer. Just log into the Microsoft Store and “install” the switch out of s mode “app”. It’s a bit of a pain to get rid of it without adding an account, so if you want to do that, it’s really easier to just do a fresh load that will automatically pick up the home edition license the laptop already has. Why not just use a disposable account just for switching laptops out of s mode? We tried doing that, but Microsoft locked the account after we’d logged it in and out of a dozen odd computers. Now we just use the customer’s own account if they have one (and actually know their password), or reload Windows if they don’t. You’d be amazed at the number of people buying cheapo S mode laptops and then being surprised when they can’t load some other software they really need. (Or maybe you wouldn’t be amazed if you’ve worked with the public before. Point is, a lot of people do this.)
This is the way
