why don’t you post this in a us community. I don’t give a shit about this.
This is a U.S. community. Did you read the description?
Ridiculous study. Nothing about climate, taxes, real estate, schools, natural amenities.
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Don’t believe everything you read. Yes a lot of that is true, but think about your daily life. Do you think all of that stuff really effects who your friends are, things you do with your family, the house you live in? The kind of things that effect your daily life, probably effect it no matter where you live (increased food prices, interest rates, etc.). Plus there’s hope that one day DeSantis will be gone and maybe a lot of those things will turn around. In the mean time…
I freely admit I’m sick of living in Florida, mostly for the reasons in the article and the dreadful heat, yes. But there’s a lot of good in Florida too. We have year round outdoor activities, regular launches into outer space, theme parks, pretty good beaches, no state income tax, lots of sunshine and hey at least were not Mississippi.
Just remember the source and the criteria used to make that judgment. Every place has pluses and minuses.
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Mississippi is literally the worst state in the country by actual, objective metrics.
Highest obesity rate, lowest life expectancy, lowest literacy, etc
Ummm, your kind of rude. You’re making judgements about my education because of one typo, as if autocorrect didn’t exist. You know nothing about me. Plus nearly all of your arguments essentially say that the positive things about Florida don’t count because those positive things also exist elsewhere. Haters gonna hate I guess.
In case you weren’t aware, taxes and insurance are not the same thing.
But you know what, you’re probably all right and I’m probably all wrong, so you’ve got that going for you. I apologize that my opinion differs from yours.
I think they probably just forgot to look at Mississippi. It gets routinely ignored by media of all types. Most of the same stuff is going on there with the criteria that they dinged the other Southern states for.
But if you looked at real estate prices and general cost of living as the most important factor for living well, these Southeast states would be kicking ass instead of being “the worst.”
Florida’s real estate is very quickly becoming unattainable
Florida is not a normal member of the region so I don’t consider it part of the Southeast. Florida is just Florida.
It’s a nice place to visit for a vacation but I’d never live there either. Buying Florida real estate is a big risk anyway with climate change making all coastal habitats risky. I prefer my real estate to be a few hundred feet above sea level.
So do insurers
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. It’s like when people talk about “third world countries” as if they’re unlivable shitholes that couldn’t possibly have any positive aspects. Like you point out, there are many aspects to life that aren’t directly tied to politics and generally the day-to-day really isn’t that bad. It reeks of elitism and it’s alienating.
It reeks of elitism and it’s alienating.
What aspect of recognizing Florida as a shithole with a fascist governor reeks of elitism?
The part where Republicans are playing the victim about everything now, so if you insult them, You’re just an elite liberal
/s if it wasn’t obvious
This particular chain of posts has nothing to do with republican vs democrat. The person I replied to said “Plus there’s hope that one day DeSantis will be gone and maybe a lot of those things will turn around.” Does that sound like a republican being happy about desantis to you? As for myself, I said dismissing entire places because of a few negative aspects (i.e. the republican rule there), even if major, is elitist because you’re ignoring the day-to-day that the person I was replying to mentioned that includes many positives.
It’s not a liberal exclusive thing. Trump dismissed a bunch of “third world countries” as shitholes and that was actually who I was thinking of when I made my post. You just assumed I was talking exclusively about liberals because you treat politics as a sport with only two teams and that because I hit some key words in your mind, it made you assume a whole load of things about me and my post.
That people are turning their noses up at places where they don’t live and assuming that the presence of some bad aspects mean a place is entirely irredeemably bad. Like the person I replied to pointed out, there are day-to-day aspects that often don’t intersect with politics and there is some good to be had there, so condescending pitying is not always warranted. You missed the point by going back to focusing back on the bad parts and dismissing the entire place as a shithole because of them.
- Texas
- Oklahoma
- Louisiana
- (tie) South Carolina
- (tie) Alabama
- Missouri
- Indiana
- Tennessee
- Arkansas
- Florida
As someone from West Virginia I’m stunned we didn’t make the list. McDowell county is hell on earth. The northern part of the state really does hard carry the rest of it.
Economic and health factors in this ranking are severely downplayed in favor of hot social issues.
I personally agree with this list. But, we have to be pragmatic here. This is what CNBC says they did:
“The study measures quality of life issues including crime, health care, childcare and health care, as well as inclusive policies on discrimination and reproductive rights.”
See, the last two skew this study. People in these shit hole states (not all, but at least enough of the voting public) don’t want inclusive policies or reproductive rights. So, to them, this metric is backwards. They would argue that living in California or New York was way more terrible because of the brown people and gays.
This isn’t exactly a scientific study. It’s taking objective data to reach a subjective conclusion. Neat headline though.
Edit: many if them are arguing exactly that in this thread. With a nice dose of racism and misogyny thrown in. Nice. I love when shit comes full circle.
Reproductive rights is healthcare.
Yep. It is. That’s sorta the point though. “Worst” is subjective. Personally? I’d never move to one of those 10 places. But, a lot of them think that the lack of reproductive rights is a good thing, not a bad thing.
I don’t think that… But, a lot of folks in America do.
Just not a majority anywhere. Minority rule baby!
Cool, popular and correct are not synonyms
There’s only one thing worse than mob rule by a majority. And that’s authoritarian rule by a minority. So it doesn’t mater.
Lol that’s just what every populist jackass says to avoid actually defending their horrific views.
Abortion isn’t a right.
Only because the US doesn’t consider healthcare a right because we’re backwards af.
Healthcare isn’t a right because a right cannot be reliant on service provided by others. That’s just an entitlement given out by shitty governments. Not to mention that abortion isn’t Healthcare
Your right to a jury trial depends on the service of your fellow citizens, as well as the judge, etc.
Your right to vote depends on the service of many volunteers to work the polls, count votes, etc.
Rights are granted and protected by governments; whether they require a service is irrelevant.
I disagree that either of those is a right. They’re just procedural rules regarding government power.
I mean… if you want to move to one of these states as potentially any type of person (ie. perhaps not white and straight) then the inclusive policies are not an optional feature. If you’re a woman, having the government meddle in your health decisions can actually be life threatening.
For white, straight folks, and especially males, it’s easy to think these other two factors just subjectively improve life, but that’s because they already have a baseline level of respect and power in society.
Based on your take, I’d guess you’re straight, white and male.
Yup, I am, but if it’s fair to say that the positive things about Florida don’t count because those positive things exist in other states then it seems to me that it’s fair to say that prejudice against minorities should count against those other states too. Florida does not have exclusive rights to mistreatment of minorities. In fact I’m pretty sure that exists in all 50 states.
My only point, was addressing the thought that a poster said he felt sorry for people living in those states (Florida in this case) and all I was saying was it wasn’t like we all just get up every morning and fail to function because we are all so overwhelmed by how bad it is where we live. We have running water in Florida.
Inclusivity is bringing the west back 100 years
Good, stay the fuck out! Stay in your own shit holes.
I gotta say while I’m not happy with Texas decisions and there’s a lot of bs there it doesn’t seem even as bad as Florida much less Alabama and Mississippi.
Texans are some of the most delusional people on the planet.
The fact they think their state even holds a candle to Florida is laughable.
People live in Texas for one reason: tax breaks.
The only other state worse than Texas is Louisiana. Everyone in the nation agrees except Texans.
Here here! You are 100% right! I hope people stop moving here in droves, it really does suck.
This list seems just a little bit skewed. I’m left of center but I feel like it should’ve been called 10 worst states if youre, and followed it up with any number of marginalized persons. And that’s fine, just want to know the metric we are talking about.
You may be forgetting the fact that 50ish percent of the population has a uterus. Even some of those without one have partners with one and value their partner having access to the Healthcare they need or may need at some point.
This could be another huge talking point for Democrats, but once again, this great opportunity to ding Republican governance is going to be missed since Democrats are so utterly incompetent to sell their successes and attack their opponents.
The inflation rate has fallen down to 3%, which is one of the lowest in the industrialized world right now. Have there been Democrats all over the news selling that success? No, of course not. Gotta keep those wins well hidden, dontchaknow!
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Amazing! The entire world is stupid, (insert as many additional derogatory terms as you wish). Except for you, of course!
Good on you mate!
True for values where “the entire world” is “Republicans and The Military (also Cops)”. So basically… false.
Twist the words, add words, deflect from the point, anything to advance your “superior” intellect. I see what you did.
Good on you mate!
P.S. It didn’t work.
Go back to reddit “mate.”
You can’t handle the truth can you mate? Amusing
The main question is imho what’s the cause - are they they worst to live in because of their politics? Or do people there vote populists because they are so unhappy with their lives
They’re listed as the worst because this is basically just a political hit piece. They’ve defined the criteria for “best” to align with policy the democrats push and Republicans don’t. It’s hardly anything except a list of states that democrats agree with (or in the case of the bottom 10, don’t agree with)
I happen to agree with the deciding points but the title should clearly be “Worst States To Live & Work In according to Democrats. All 10 Are Republican States”.
Oh bless your heart you never learned to read.
Reading the article makes it blatantly obvious that it’s judged heavily based on metrics that are designed to favor things the democrats want
…like Voting Rights, Crime Rate and Child Care…?
“Life, Health and Inclusion” takes up 14% of the total points.
Lol crying about nonsense voting rights and demanding government child care are massive democrat talking points. What rock have you been under?
So do Republicans not want good Child Care or equal Voting Rights?
As it has already been said in this thread, which metrics would put these states at the top when even statistics published from Fox have the top 10 with 3 states from CNBC’s Top 10 and only 1 from the Bottom 10?
So do Republicans not want good Child Care or equal Voting Rights?
I’m not exactly a big fan of Republicans, but I don’t want the government wasting a dime of my money on child care, and I don’t give a singular fuck about voting rights.
As it has already been said in this thread, which metrics would put these states at the top when even statistics published from Fox have the top 10 with 3 states from CNBC’s Top 10 and only 1 from the Bottom 10?
Unfortunately, I’m a human and not a database scraper bot. I have exactly zero clue what numbers would put this specific combination of states at the top, and I really don’t care to spend the time crunching those numbers.
…how can one not care about voting rights? Do you want other people to decide for you?
And even then, the biggest factors are Percentage of qualified workers, Infrastructure and Stability of the Economy. I don’t really see those as loaded metrics.
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Hey this is pretty level headed and what you’re saying makes sense. Please check out lemmy.world/c/moderate_politics we’d love to have you!
Ahh yes a scientific unbiased source. Very nice.
What do you feel is missing from this study?
Lack of bias.
It’s democrats ranking states based off their policies, so of course the Republican states will all be at the bottom lol.
Headline should be: “Democrats say Republican states are worst states to live in”.
We should be posting political articles that aren’t clickbait echo chamber propaganda. Don’t let this become Reddits /r/politics, which was REALLY /r/democrats
“Something bad said against Republicans is propaganda” doesn’t sound fascist at all, huh?
Criticizing blatant propaganda isn’t fascism.
You don’t have the slightest idea what fascism was
Lay it on us then. You’ve brought such riveting commentary so far about “jew propaganda”, so why don’t you educate us all?
You didn’t even read their metrics did you? It’s based on crime rates, healthcare, quality of health, etc. Those are pretty objective measures, and ones that republican-controlled states often fight against (see: reluctance to expand medicaid).
Here’s a completely unbiased excerpt about the “worst” state of Texas:
The Lone Star State keeps hacking away at inclusiveness, with laws targeting the LGBTQ+ population, voting rights, and the nation’s strictest abortion ban. Yes, there are enormous economic opportunities in Texas, and it is attracting people from far and wide. But this state also has some Texas-sized issues when it comes to life, health and inclusion. And it is one of the reasons that the state fell out of the overall top five for the first time in the 16-year history of CNBC’s rankings.
Um. Yes. It fucking SUCKS to be a woman, LGBTQ+ + community member, or a minority here in Texas. Good luck if you’re all 3.
This state is a steaming pile of shit and a blight on America. I wish it would secede, but only after the government offers refugee status to those of us who are sane and want to leave.
Then Texas can take its misogynistic, racist, bigoted, xenophobic self and go create its own country. And it can take Florida with it!
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Are you trying to say that laws that impact people’s control over their identity are ok?
Your identity is your business, just keep it for yourself instead of trying to abuse women and remove their rights then you’ll become a better person
How is allowing people to identify as the gender that fits them abusive to women?
No one cares what you “identify” as. Identify as a turkey for all anyone cares. The problem is with coerced speech and trying to invade sex-specific places and events.
Coerced speech? Invading? Boy that does sound scary.
You have any other completely imaginary strawmen we should be hypothetically scared of?
Can you provide a ranking where you would say these states would come out top? What kind of metric would you like to see being used?
I don’t feel like doing enough data analysis to get a perfect flip of these 10 being on top, but you could use criteria like low tax rates, abortion restrictions, and loose gun laws, and get a pretty solid inverse list.
The better question is what value do these lists have outside of getting a bunch of people who already agree with it circle jerking over how the incredibly biased list proves they’re right?
And why should I give a singular fuck about cnbc’s list of personal preferences?
Aww gee, more bashing of the right by the tolerant left. If it weren’t for double standards liberals wouldn’t have any standards at all.
So much to unpack here! I’ll just note that to be tolerant doesn’t preclude criticism of wrongdoing by others.
Keep your crime and needle infested streets see if I give a shit. We’re headed towards balkanization anyways as it is. I don’t give a fuck about you just don’t live near me.
This must be the “tolerant right” I’ve been hearing so much about.
I was really hoping this wouldn’t be Reddit /r/politics but it seems like the infestation has begun. Might as well change the community name to Democrats and not politics if it’s going to be the same as Reddit. Otherwise let’s keep “politics” an actual balance of actual discussion and not an echo chamber.
If there’s a problem with my comment to you, you’re the problem. Nothing I said was offensive or bad.
Reality has a well known liberal bias.
Probably because anyone who had opposing thoughts are shunned as evil without any opportunity for civil discussion, so they vote in silence and don’t speak their opinions.
So what you’re saying is more popular opinions are probably more popular with the public… Hmmm.
Also, if you cared about karma on reddit and you care about karma on Lemmy… And both places hate republican policy… Maybe that’s a sign that their policies are literal fascist nationalist Christian shit that people don’t like. If you feel like your opinion is dragged through the mud everywhere but your dark corners and echo chambers… Maybe it belongs there lol.
What people are experiencing in the lifting of civil discussion because democrats know better now. Republicans don’t care about civil discussion and they weaponize hypocrisy like priests weaponize their dicks on choir boys mouths. Lol.
We can’t tell if the “liberal” opinion is more popular though because you guys shun anyone who thinks otherwise. I guarantee you there’s people who don’t think like you, that just agrees with you cause they don’t wanna deal with the backlash. And it’s sad af that that’s where this country is at. Im not understanding how “be more respectful” is turning into such a huge deal here.
I care about civil discussion, I’m doing it right now. I’ve insulted no one and I’ve been insulted 20 times in 10 minutes so far.
Republicans care about civil discussion, they just don’t discuss because you guys do nothing but attack. You don’t have to listen to me but this is the universal truth, both online and in person.
Hilarious!
We shun people who say stupid, uninformed, homophobic, racist, conspiratorial nonsense. Not differing “opinions”. There’s a difference champ.
MuH fascism!!!
ROFL!
Does that mean if we keep
downloadingdownvoting you you’ll leave?
How do you suppose we have political conversation without pointing out the flaws relating to the party in charge?
Why is it that only one parties flaws are ever discussed and never the other ones?
Cool way to avoid the question with another question. Very engaging.
This is why people shouldn’t engage with people like you. Don’t act surprised when you’re simply ignored by rational people in the future.
You know what I said is true.
We all do it’s just that their job is to spread fake news
We all do it’s just that their job is to spread fake news
fake news
Such as?
Do you think that it might be that logic and reason have a liberal bias? I mean, it’s not a big stretch to think that racism, bigotry, misogyny, and xenophobia might find itself at odds with those on the rational side of arguments.
It also will always amuse me when people whine about “liberal bias” when what they mean is- self-awareness and non-judgmental observation.
Lol get down off the cross
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Literally proving my point lol. Thanks I guess.
They love shooting themselves in the foot
It’s almost like the majority of people are not republican.
Your policies are murdering my friends and an entire gender while stripping away our rights at every chance you can get.
❄️ s: Why can’t I say anything without people telling me to eat my fascist shit!? I just want to be civil!
Your friends are killing themselves because you don’t want to give them the medical help they need, you are fully responsible for that and one day you’ll realize that
We have plenty of comments for all sides of the political spectrum here. The only things that get removed are calls for violence, hate, or comments that are not civil toward community members.
Interesting how the constant slanderous accusations of fascism being thrown around don’t qualify as “not civil”
I’m still deciding if I should block this community.
You have to remember you’re interacting with people from around the world, and people who skew ‘younger-than-boomer’.
Given both of those things, a general left leaning bias should be expected.
I have a general left leaning bias. r/politics was a whole other level. I try to avoid the loonies from either side.
What would you consider to be your left leaning bias?
I’m not inclined to put my “leftness” on trial for you. I’ve seen enough to make a decision on the sanity of this community though.
Don’t let us keep you, I’m sure you have other options for entertainment.
What is Tucker up to these days?
So why do you think health care, childcare and policies on discrimination are invalid metrics for evaluating quality of life, and with what would you replace them?
Guns per capita, biggest fish caught, and hunting licenses allowed per year, most like.
Oooo boooy, Alabama gets an extra Senate seat cuz Jimbo caught a monster catfish, with just his bare hands!
That’s the kind of leadership and intelligence we need around here. Atta boy Jimbo.
What do you want? Should people on the left not post here in the interest of balance? Maybe they can LARP as republicans so you don’t get triggered, would that help?
Maybe just stick to posting things of a higher quality than just circle jerking democrats?
They are paid to spread propaganda and hate and bring back racism, otherwise they couldn’t sell you their “cure”, you’ll never get rid of parasites
