I know we pretty much all hated spez for all the shit he pulled, but a few weeks ago the tone towards reddit itself around here was more neutral. People liked it here on Lemmy a lot better, but people weren’t hating on the old place so much.
Recently I’m seeing this huuuuuuuge surge of just pure fucking hatred leveled at the site itself. Anyone else notice this or is it just me?
I mean, I was there because I thought it was alright. I hated spez for fucking it up and completely screwing his communities over. But I never hated reddit itself, and I still don’t. Otherwise I would’ve left a lot sooner.
Do you personally hate reddit? If so, why?
Love can quite easily turn to hate. Strong emotions still, just in another direction.
I do think there are waves of people moving from Reddit to Lemmy for one reason or another, each of them infuriated with Reddit and needing to express it. We had the wave of people that reacted to the news of the API changes, people that moved over after Reddit responded poorly to the protests, people that moved here after their Reddit app of choice stopped working, people after the latest set of third party apps stopped working, people after Reddit removed gold, people after the app icon was changed…
People are at different stages of dealing with Reddit, some of us who left sooner have moved on, some people are moving here currently outraged with Reddit, and some are in between.
I imagine we’ll keep seeing these waves of people for a while, and that’s ok, the best thing we can do is validate their feelings toward Reddit, welcome them, and keep the memes rolling.Very well said. This encompasses the conclusion I eventually came to myself from reading people’s conversations in this thread.
Yeah. That’s also what i’ve told people. It just takes some time for things to settle, until a new balance and new culture is established. We need to figure out a few things, maybe cry or get angry. Solve technical problems and so on. There are real feelings involved and a few people have lost a place they once belonged or a community they liked. I still see disappointment, frustration mixed with excitement and curiosity for something novel. Things will settle down and the past feelings will become less important.
We’re moving through the stages of grief. Many of us seem to be on “anger”.
Ohhhhhhhhh… you might be right. That’s an interesting thought, thank you.
💯i was in strong anger last week.
I always hated the UI, especially attempts to “improve” it, but that was mostly an inconvenience. And I don’t like being pushed toward an app, with increased tracking bullshit, just to view a web site
I don’t know what happened with the AMA person a while back but after she left, that was no longer worth subscribing to. It appears to be a sign of Reddit management killing their future
The reason I liked Reddit was the content, the discussions. However those are highly dependent on the mods and the super users, and Reddit seemed to start hating them, all of them. All of them at once. How are you alienating the very group of people who are volunteers responsible for making your site compelling? Who are responsible for your success?
I don’t hate Reddit but management made a change likely to degrade my reason for being there. I’m here to see if I can encourage development of a new alternative …… but yeah I was actually hoping the boycott would make a difference
I’m indifferent about Reddit. I’m just here because I want to see open-source and the fediverse do well.
That tends to happen when a site you frequent suddenly decides a portion of its users will have to visit with the worst experience possible or leave.
Additionally, false accusations and actions taking by Steve and Reddit admins only poked the wasp hive even more.
If you think about the chain of events, it makes sense. While there were people using lemmy pre-exodus, the giant leap in userbase is a direct result of the exodus of users from reddit.
So it stands to reason, as that core group of people interacts with each other, and is then exposed to further shitty behaviour from reddit CEO… considering they were unhappy enough with reddit to move in the first place, it’s no surprise that exposure to more and more shitty behaviour leads to that feeling hardening.
I think it also ties into a larger portion of people being fed up with corporate social media and corporations in general. All the ads, tracking, and shareholder profit driving decisions instead of what makes a product “good”.
I remember being introduced to reddit years ago. It was still new and unknown, there was in-jokes and cringey bacon narwhal shit I don’t even quite remember. It was fun, it was cringe, it wasn’t doomscrolling it was genuine engagement and I really enjoyed it.
Then the longer I spent on it the more hostile it became. Almost every comment thread is full of contrarians looking to argue with you just to get more upvotes and
edit: omg thx 4 awards!!11!bullshit, bots “correcting” people’s spelling and telling you how many consonants are in reverse alphabetical order in your username omg so cute! it just became regular, boring old social media.Then the leadership bullshit kept just getting worse and worse and worse, every time you hear anything about what reddit (as a company) does it’s just more and more hostile to users. The API/app changes and the way it was handled was the last straw. Users don’t hate reddit, reddit hates it’s users, the company has shown nothing but contempt for the users and unpaid moderators for years and I’m just sick of it and that long term animosity coupled with the last set of changes? Yeah, fuck reddit.
I’ve never understood why people hate other people editing their posts with thank yous. What was the big problem with that?
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edit: omg thank you for awards/upvotescomments just feel like such a self-congratulatory circlejerk, as if the point of the post was to “win” at reddit by getting the most points. The “meta” around reddit itself became less of a discussion and more a game to play to get the most points.To be clear, I don’t directly hate the “thank you” post edits, I dislike that they’re a symptom of the “meta” of reddit becoming less around the links it aggregates and more around itself, maybe?
I always interpreted it more as surprise than anything else. The vast majority of the content you make, over 99%, gets minimal reaction. So when something blows up, it’s very surprising and unusual. Shocking, even.
These people responding to that feeling in some way is natural.
I hated it, I only just barely put up with the toxic community so I could still visit my favorite subs only (I used apollo so I could ignore the garbage that’d be recommended to us constantly). I used the app-pocalypse as an excuse to leave. Now I only lurk there for the ooh-la-la subs, but as more and more creators there have lately been moving to lemmynsfw I might not even need those subs for much longer.
Hello, Apollo user. Have you tried wefef.app?
Reddit can’t be divorced from the leadership. If you hate the direction leadership is taking Reddit, how can you still like Reddit itself? What is it apart from that?
This argument makes more sense to me with Lemmy. Yes, if you hate the direction one instance admin is taking their Lemmy instance, it doesn’t make sense to hate Lemmy as a whole… but Reddit has only one “instance,” so if you hate the “admin,” you hate Reddit.
Yeah, I started picking up on this. I draw a clear distinction between people that make decisions, and the tools they use to bring those decisions to fruition. To me, reddit is an inanimate thing, and hating it is no different than hating a rock or tree. I do understand now that I am not necessarily normal in this, though.
Thanks for the response.
For me, it’s the strictly enforced lack of ideological diversity. Anything other than the mainstream far left ideology is immediately censored. It’s a stupid echo chamber
@activator90 Is it “mainstream” or is it “far left?”
far left, mainstream, in this world with desantis and rampant transphobia?
or are you just mad you can’t drop slurs and talk about hating minorities?
Removed by mod
Censorship, closed down subs, powertrip mods.
Try to appeal a sub ban from your alt account? That’s a paddling.
Reddit used to be a lawless land that didn’t care about comedy accounts or multiple accounts or shit posts. No one ever got banned. No one ever got censored. It was fun. People didn’t take it that seriously.
The last few years however it’s been turning into basically any other social media site. Politics everywhere, censorship galore and bans handed out willy nilly based on nothing more than ideologies and opinions, mods and admins tightly controlling narratives of threads and entire subs, and just slowly eroding what made it a fun site to visit. Certain political ideologies have taken over and anything outside of those opinions is insta-banned. Going to Reveddit or uneddit (i think thats the name of the second one) and looking at any “hot topic” thread was eye opening - mods and admins removing dozens/hundreds of completely harmless comments because they didn’t like the opinion that was shared, leaving no trace that the comments even existed, giving the perception that there wasn’t any censoring going on.
I don’t hate reddit. I deleted my 12+ year old account and left because it isn’t the site I liked, and an alternative now exists in Lemmy. I think Reddit is a shitty site now that is basically a highly censored astroturfed political site, but I don’t care that I’m no longer using it.
People on here are hating reddit more now because more and more people are coming here from reddit because of the shitty things reddit has been doing.
Exactly. Reddit used to be fun. anarcho communists and hardcore libertarians could trash talk, debate, and banter. people on the site were just fun weirdos. nothing was personal, very little was seriously political.
then everything became serious business, and no more fun was allowed and mods became growth-grubbing ban-happy nutcases who only allowed ‘correct’ opinions, and the site became useless as both a source of entertainment and education because it became about perpetuating the very serious bullshit bubble of your sub at all costs.
i have been mostly having the same opinions for a decade on reddit. the past couple of years my pragmatic thoughts are now a bannable offensive because they aren’t so far-left or far-right nonsense.
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I’m honestly missing them. Would you mind pointing out a couple?
Everything is a “dog whistle” when you don’t understand what a dog whistle is but hear people use it and want to use it yourself.
Dog whistle literally just means coded language that an ordinary observer might not notice, but can be used to subtly identify other like-minded individuals.
Not all dog whistles are necessarily bad (depending on perspective). I’m an ex-mormon, and one dog whistle is a tapir. Without more information, it is too subtle to really know for certain whether I just like tapirs, or that I’m actually ex-mormon. But eventually, two ex-mormons might see enough signals to finally confide in one another.
A lot of the language you used is innocuous enough, and I didn’t feel like it was at the level @hoodatninja claimed, but it definitely had a “Reddit was becoming too woke” vibe to it, without actually coming out and outright saying it, aka, a dog whistle.
When you’re looking for dog whistles because you want to try and dismiss someone’s point/opinion you tend to find them everywhere. Not because they’re actually there, but because everything looks like one when you’re of that mindset.
Reddit became too political. I literally said that. Lots of it is right wing, but vastly more of it is left wing. That’s not controversial to say. Their rules and enforcement literally state left wing talking points.
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I’m not saying anything about being “too woke”, no. I’m saying it’s too political now, being run by mods and admin that push their political agendas and censor and ban everyone they disagree with. It goes both ways, “far left” and “far right”. It just so happens though that the admins have made the site rules more “far left” meaning unless you play along with their talking points and ideologies you get banned.
It’s hard knowing that your favourite small subs are a ticking time bomb; once they get too large they tend to be too strictly controlled and the content quality drops.
People act like strict moderation/“control“ is universally bad, yet AskHistorians is often held up as one of the best subs ever created. Do you know what makes that possible? Do you know what would happen if they relaxed the rules?
That example is an obvious exception.
Most subs are hobbyist or the like and far too often I see ‘locked because ya’ll can’t behave’ in the last few years. There’s an upvote/downvote system for a reason; not everything needs to be babied and pruned to what the mods want. Might be one of the few good things about the removal of API because they can’t mass delete comments anymore, killing the actual discussion.
there’s an upvote/downvote system for a reason
Oh come now you aren’t so naive as to think that system actually works as intended or anywhere near as good as it needs to be to leaned on. Would you trust a community vote that used upvotes/downvotes?
not everything needs to be babied and pruned to what the mods want.
What the community wants. And no not everything, but frankly some people do act like babies and need to be handled as such. I personally had no tolerance for trolling. The sub I modded did not want that crap at all. Hence why they kept supporting our rules and every vote we held to change things ended with “this works well.”
People think they want a “true democracy” (doesn’t exist with the tools we have) and “total free speech” on forums but let me tell you you absolutely do not. Go ask Voat how that turned out.
We’ll keep going in circles because we have our own preferences.
You seriously want reddit’s upvote/downvote system as the primary way of doing things?
I really miss the ‘fun’ part
There used to be expat circles where it was a great for expats just to vent, China, Japan Korea and Thailand. Making fun of Redditor who are absolutely naive about a country and found ‘love’ on wechat, to archetypes, making fun naive locals, to self deprecating humour like violently shitting yourself from food poisoning or how squat toilets are racist against caucasian-chinese because white people can’t squat to shit. Then I guess some Asian Americans do not understand the country well enough to get the context and then one day it’s all gone.
2balkan4u is a great example of this, just users from the Balkans bantering then admins saw this as a ‘hate’ subreddit and just gone, people knew it banter and a gross exaggeration of beliefs and perceptions about other countries which has been a ongoing thing for last 1000 years. Yet Reddit admins put a stop to that, banned the entire subreddit. For a website that preaches tolerance, people outside of American culture do not see black and white in race, sexuality or politics yet be completely ignorant to the point of intolerance.
Reddit is now seething and hatred.
100% this.
Everyone is just looking to be outraged these days. They want to find something to complain about so they can get it banned so they can feel good about themselves.
