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    “I’m mindful that no secretary of state has ever deprived a presidential candidate of ballot access based on section three of the 14th Amendment. But I’m also mindful that no presidential candidate has, ever before, engaged in insurrection.”

    I like how Trumpers always seem to forget about that 2nd sentence.

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    When you’re such a bitchass corrupt sore loser that legal experts need to clear the dusty cobwebs off ancient scrolls and navigate new legal waters because you decided to be the first brainlet to violate laws that no one before you was stupid and unpatriotic enough to even consider attempting.

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    The more states that block him, the better the argument that the Supreme Court should decline to intervene and let the state decisions stand.

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        Oh, but it’s only about states’ rights when it is convenient for conservative arguments. Otherwise it’s just federal power all the way down.

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        If the individual states don’t allow him on their ballot although he hasn’t been found guilty by courts or congress how long is it before the pre-election period is just red states eliminating blue nominees?

        This is bad precedent.

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          although he hasn’t been found guilty by courts or congress

          It’s not a legal trial, it’s not a law, it’s an amendment to the constitution. No finding of guilt by a court is required.

          This is bad precedent.

          Blocking a presidential candidate from a states ballot because they violated the 14th amendment by engaging in an insurrection is bad precedent? Your argument is a little silly, Republicans already work in contradiction to the laws and constitution, doesn’t mean Democrats or the American people in general should not follow them.

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            What’s stopping the republicans from doing the same to Biden?

            That’s what the people who are taking offence to what I’m saying are not seeing.

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              What’s stopping the republicans from doing the same to Biden?

              Did Biden participate in an insurrection? Unless some very big news went under the radar Republicans can’t disqualify Biden under the 14th amendment. That’s what you’re not seeing.

              Your argument is don’t uphold the 14th amendment to the constitution because Republicans might try to unlawfully disqualify Biden from the ballot? I don’t believe you don’t understand how absurd that is.

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                What are they trying to impeach Biden for right now?

                My argument is one person should have the ability to disqualify someone from running for president without being convicted by congress or the court.

                I understand it’s an unpopular opinion but this is going to backfire when republicans start going after the democratic nominee for anything they imagine and they control the Secretary of State and state Supreme Court.

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                  without being convicted by congress or the court.

                  Elections aren’t run by the federal government, they’re run by the states. Also, Trump is not disqualified for “breaking a law”, he’s being disqualified under the terms of the 14th amendment section 3. He took an oath as president to support the constitution and then engaged in insurrection.

                  My argument is one person should have the ability to disqualify someone from running for president

                  Isn’t that what state’s rights is all about?

                  Do you believe that only certain things should be state’s rights?

                  Who decides which is which and if it’s the feds that do that would that mean that states have no rights?

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          On what grounds would they be removed? They can’t kick somebody off the ballot if it won’t stand up in court.

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              Thanks. It’s a legit question though. A rogue Secretary of State could try but you know it’ll land in court and the Judiciary will decide based on the merits of the case.

              Personally I support this precedent being set. We should uphold our laws to protect our country. If a Democrat ever lands in a similar situation then this precedent will be good to have had set.

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          But then the argument is we shouldn’t follow the law because the GOP might break it

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                I told you my reasoning, I clarified it and if you’re looking for an argument about it you’re not getting it from me.

                Have a nice day and thanks for the conversation.

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                  I just asked a non confrontational question. If you can’t deal with that, that’s your business

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                  I just asked a non confrontational question. If you can’t deal with that, that’s your business

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Maine’s top election official has ruled that Donald Trump cannot run for president next year in the state, citing a constitutional insurrection clause.

    Secretary of State Shenna Bellows said Mr Trump was not eligible because of his actions leading up to the US Capitol riot in 2021.

    Maine now joins Colorado as the two states to ban Mr Trump from the ballot.

    The 34-page ruling says that Mr Trump must be removed from the ballot because he “engaged in insurrection or rebellion”.

    In her order, Mrs Bellows says that Mr Trump “over the course of several months and culminating on January 6, 2021, used a false narrative of election fraud to inflame his supporters and direct them to the Capitol”.

    She added that his “occasional requests that rioters be peaceful and support law enforcement do not immunize his actions”.


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    Wake me up when a state that matters (as in, a state that will have an impact on the likelihood of Trump getting to and winning the general election) does it.

    I’m not convinced a red state would dare put their metaphorical balls on the chopping block like that.