It didn’t work because republicans convinced voters to “stop socialism” by voting for Trump. Because Joe Biden’s “radical leftist” policies were responsible for inflation.
If voters wanted someone more progressive then they would’ve chosen the most progressive candidate. But they didn’t.
They worked with never Trumpers to get more republicans to vote democrats instead. To pretend you don’t understand that is a bad faith argument.
So you’re saying the republicans won because their platform isn’t shitty?
The more left a voter gets, the more engaged they are, and the more likely they are to show up and vote for Democrats. That has been shown in multiple studies and is well understood even by establishment bobbleheads.
Care to share those studies?
It’s the vast sea of disengaged and ideologically confused working class Americans that sometimes show up and sometimes don’t.
What’s your source for this claim?
We know how to reach these people, and the Democratic establishment just isn’t that interested.
Who’s “we” and what makes you so confident that you know how to reach “these people”?
Their process is to message to these folks just enough to get 51% in swing states.
What’s your source for this claim?
In order to do better, Democrats have to be willing to anger their patrons.
Better in what way?
The unreliable voters turned out, but they turned out for Republicans.
Which indicates that these voters wanted someone furthest right. Meanwhile progressives claim the opposite is true: that democrats need to go further left.
That’s obviously an insane disaster, and it’s pathetic that anyone is still defending the Democratic establishment.
To not support democrats is to support republicans.
Not just Nixon, if I remember right Trump tried to do something similar to stop the Mueller investigation. So why would Biden want to normalize weaponizing the DOJ like that?
The only people who consider Biden “in charge” of the DOJ are people that want to normalize Nixon’s and Trump’s behavior.
The Democratic Party has been moving further left ever since Bernie started working with them. Even with that small movement to the left voters turned out for republicans to “stop socialism”. And many progressives didn’t show up to vote because Harris wasnt far enough left.
The majority of people fear change. If the progressives aren’t willing to vote for the lesser of two evils then the larger of two evils will keep winning.
Apathy caused democrats to lose voters in the 2024 election. Sowing more apathy won’t improve voter turnout.
Agreed. They are cutting off their nose to spite their face.
We are already fucked. Fascism already won. We had to chose between democrats and fascism and people like yourself shit on democrats enough to convince enough voters to either stay home or vote Trump or 3rd party. Letting perfection be the enemy of progress. There’s no going back now.
Voters actually wanted a fascist. That’s what we got now and maybe forever because so many like you are willing to cut off your nose to spite your face. To let perfection prevent progress.
Republicans took all 3 branches because they don’t criticize their own party. And they attack anyone who does. And they show up to vote no matter what because they don’t get apathetic towards their own party.
In charge of him in what way?
A progressive would never win in my part of the country. But moderate democrats have.
What democrats do does matter. That’s why we shouldn’t do the GOPs job for them by sowing apathy for democrats. Because that leads to the GOP gaining power. That’s why FUD exists.
There is no chance democrats will win any elections as long as people like yourself keep shitting on them. More democratic voters will stay home or vote republican or 3rd party and the GOP will get more power and our lives will get worse.
The way so many people are shitting on democrats the GOP will keep growing in power even if they weren’t fascists.
Sounds like youve never heard of FUD
They won 3 of the last 5 elections. But as long as people like yourself keep shitting on them the GOP will keep growing in power.
They tried. Claiming they didn’t is the sowing apathy thing that I was referring to. Too many people shitting on every little thing the Democratic Party does even when that leads to Trump being in power.
Nope, it’s based on the progressive talking point that democrats lost because Harris wasn’t far enough left. You’re not doing work for me. I didn’t make the claim. If you can’t be bothered to back up your own claims then they aren’t worth anything.
Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t see any source for that map. How did they get the numbers? What are the numbers? It just looks like someone colored a bunch of land and put some names on it. Not to mention it’s a Reddit post.
You’re confident that you know how to reach people that won’t vote democrat because of a town hall of Bernie? I must be missing something.
I’m not going to debate based on assumptions. Use your words.
Voters chose the candidate furthest to the right, it doesn’t get any more conclusive than that when it comes to whether voters want a candidate that’s further left.
The origins of left and right dont change anything. Just to be clear, I’d vote for a more progressive candidate. But they wouldn’t win in my red state. Moderates have won before though because they get a mix of voters that is larger than just right or left. And if our democracy is on the line then it isn’t time to let perfection be the enemy of progress.
If progressives keep sowing apathy for the Democratic Party then less people will vote democrat and the GOP will keep growing in power. That is, if we get to vote again, considering Trumps rhetoric.
Same here. But I don’t sow apathy for the better option because that gives voters a reason to not vote for that option and it doesn’t take a lot of voters staying home to lose an election.