But if Russia wins, have you escaped forced conscription for good? Or will you be forced to fight in Putin’s next conquest?

Forced conscription in general - probably not.
What Zelensky’s doing is not just forced conscription, it’s literally kidnapping people off the streets, putting them into vans, often beating them in the process, keeping people in basements for multiple days, etc. and only then sending them to the meatgrinder. It’s also has been described in western medias already btw, it’s called “busification” if you want to have a read / watch what happens on the Ukrainian streets.

For now, you have a chance to build your own country still. Yes there’s a lot of corruption and many, many other issues. Yes, the GDP per capita is pretty weak so Ukrainians are better off working abroad. But you still get a say in matters. Zelenskyy the comedian was elected because people were tired of the status quo. Has he fixed everything? Probably not, but he can still be replaced. In the modern day Russian empire you either vote for Putin or your vote doesn’t count.

With Zelenaky in leadership nobody has any say. He is for a long time already an unelected usurper. I am not here to discuss whether voting in Russia is rigged or not, but at least people there can vote, can form political parties. Under Zelensky’s regime you simply can’t.
I’d love to see my country an indepent and free country, but the first pre-requirement for that is removing Zelensky from power (trialing him for crimes against humanity would be nice, but I know that it would never happen), and then seek a compromise with Russia.
He and his regime are threat #1 to us.

Obviously I support your right to not go to war against Russia.

Thank you.

But I think just laying down arms isn’t a solution either.

People should be able to decide for themselves. Zelensky knows it’s not on the table for his regime, because apart from a few nationalists (a lot of whom are already dead) nobody is going to fight for his regime.

Of course, I have a vested interest of my own. The more your brothers and sisters weaken Russia, the safer I am too.

This is not a nice thing to say, but at least you’re honest about this in contrast to the hypocrites who say that they are “helping us”.

Unfortunately, as an Estonian, I know people whose families were affected by the forced deportations.

Oh well, I never really said that Russia is good, it has done lots of bad things, including to the Baltic states.

It’s just that what Zelensky is doing to us is infinitely worse than what would probably be “under Russian rule”.

By the way, how do you feel about Crimean Tatars or the Holodomor? Are those just anti-Russian propaganda too?

Holodomor - my great grandmother lived through it, I have little reason to doubt it or think that it is anti-Russian propaganda, it was terrible.

Crimean Tatars - I’m not very familiar with this topic so I’m not sure what exactly you’re referring to (I guess it’s the deportations?), but I’m sure it was also indeed a bad thing.

I don’t hate blockchain, but I can see why other people might.

Blockchain’s more or less only use is in cryptocurrencies (yes there are theoretically other usages, but let’s be honest it’s a drop in the ocean). The #1 cryptocurrency can do about 10TPS (please don’t even mention all the broken L2s), the #2 is “just about to revolutionize the world with smart contracts” for almost ten years already (so far the most revolutionary thing is monkey jpegs), then there are a few stable coins which aren’t even really a cryptocurrency at all, and thousands of literally memecoins.

Real cryptocurrency (XMR and maybe BCH) can and is used as currency (I pay for lots of legal stuff like VPN/VPSs/domains with XMR), but not many people are interested in that I guess.

Would I rather live under Russian rule than die? Yes of course.

And the majority of Ukrainians would prefer that as well. And despite what you’re (probably) going to say, this is not just my opinion, this is a fact - Zelensky has to prevent people from leaving the country, he has to kidnap people off the streets just so that there is some cannon fodder to prolong the war. People either hide at home, or run from recruitment officers. People would rather die trying to escape the country than die on a battlefield fighting for Zelensky’s regime. And even western medias are writing about it now, it’s not taboo anymore. Zelensky tries real hard to convince people that Putin will exterminate Ukrainians. And yet, it’s you (probably) who believes him, not the actual people who are supposedly about to be exterminated.

Seriously, just stop for a moment and think - if Russia is as evil as some try to portrait it - why is Zelensky having so much trouble with conscription? Why those stupid stupid Ukrainians don’t go and fight for their survival against Putin who is going to destroy them? Maybe, just maybe, it’s actually propaganda?

Actually, it seems that it’s official now, Zelensky has confirmed it… :(

“If they will cut [aid], I think we will lose. Of course, anyway, we will stay and we will fight.”

So even if the defeat will be obvious, he will continue exterminating us till nobody is left…

so they didn’t have any real choice in the matter.

Choice? Let’s talk about choice.
We don’t have any choice not because of Putin’s actions, but because of Zelensky’s.
It’s his regime that forbids people to leave the country.
It’s his regime that kidnaps people off the streets and send them to the meatgrinder every day.

There’s no such thing as peace talks in this war. Russia wants it all, any Ukrainian who live in Ukraine will be forced into assimilation and I doubt they all want that.

Why? What on Earth could be a reason for doubting people would prefer to live rather than die?? It’s literally written right here, in the article, from a western media outlet, that people don’t want to fight and avoid it AT ALL COST, people would rather die trying to escape the country to the freedom than die for Zelensky’s regime, and there are people on the frontlines just because Zelensky’s murderous regime is forcing people to be there, mostly by kidnapping (busifying) them… And you are still “doubting”…

Your friends are maybe spineless cowards I don’t know

Yeah yeah yeah, I’ve heard that before… “If you don’t want to fight for MY interests than YOU are a coward”. Doesn’t work on anyone with at least half a brain, sorry :)

Nah, I’m sure it’s just Russian propaganda, Zelensky is a good guy and he would never sacrifice hundreds of thousands of lives for shits and giggles

In addition to conventional call-ups, conscription teams patrol public areas or stop cars on highways to draft eligible men into the army. Dozens of men have died and hundreds were caught when trying to illegally cross the border. Other are already abroad. Some don’t leave their apartments for weeks to dodge the draft.

And some people will read that, and think “oh no, we gotta send Zelensky more money and support his murderous regime even harder so that he can catch and kidnap and send all of them to the meatgrinder”…

And those same people claim to have the moral highground.

Don’t worry, there are some in Ukraine as well.
My favourite one is currently “Oleksander Leonenko”. He seems like a very patriotic guy from Odessa, self-identifies as a “language inspector”, his T-shirt print roughly translates to the following: “talk to me in UKRAINIAN, I live in Ukraine and I DON’T UNDERSTAND Russian”, etc.

He is bravely defending Ukraine against the invasion of orcs right now!
Ah, wait no, sorry my bad, actually he was detained by conscription officers on 13th (his boyfriend used some extremely weird words when describing the situation - “police illegally kidnapped a person”… Sounds like Russian propaganda if you ask me, this literally never happens in Ukraine, why do Ukrainian sources even share this obvious misinformation…), and on 19th he started asking for donations attempting to raise 500k uah = 12k usd in order to “save his life”. Not sure what are those money for, but definitely not for a bribe.

And the rest are not draft eligible I guess…

A story from personal experience: most of my friends from Ukraine wanted the war to end from the very beginning. There was one exception though - a real patriot who considered Zelensky a hero and the best president we’ve ever had, “Slava Ukraini”, “Russians are orcs”, you know the type.
What on Earth could make such a patriot change his mind? Just like me he doesn’t live in Ukraine, and about a year ago Zelensky started trying hard to forcefully return people from abroad to use as a cannon fodder (thankfully, he failed)… That made him change his opinion very fast :)

And every war supporter out there is the same… The war is OK, as long as it’s not me who is forbidden to leave the country and gets kidnapped off a street to be used as a cannon fodder.

Pointing out their hypocrisy will not help anybody.

I choose to, perhaps naively, think that some people might actually recognize how absurd this is, and hopefully change their opinion :)

The best you can do is sit down and watch this comedy from the sidelines.

Just “watching comedy from the sidelines” can result in one day waking up in a totalitarian hell :/
(Not that my shitposting will change much of course :/)

Yeah, so just as I said - good guys banning social medias is good because they are the good guys protecting the democracy against bad people and so on, and bad guys banning social medias is bad because they are the bad guys censoring the truth from oppressed people or something.

No hypocrisy here :)

Let me guess, you think Russia/China/etc. banning websites is bad (because obviously they are doing it due to being authoriatarian regimes and to not let people learn the truth), and EU (or generally any western country) banning websites is good (because obviously it would be done to protect democracy and people from consuming dangerous misinformation)?
Did I miss anything? :)

I guess you’re right. If only Zelensky would stop his aggression against the peaceful Russian and north Korean forces

If he were to stop his aggression at Ukrainians, I would be satisfied already.

freeing Ukraine from the burden of democracy…

Democracy? What democracy? Did you mean to say Zelensky’s authoritarian regime where people are treated worse than dogs?

Ah I’m so sorry for disliking Zelensky trying to kill me, my family, friends and every other Ukrainian

He is not “protecting his homeland”. He is flying around the world telling people that he does that, that he protects democracy and so on, while people are trapped in his prison, kidnapped off the streets and sent to the meatgrinder.

Putin will happily send every last Russian in to the meat grinder before he accept defeat

Funny, because it’s exactly the same with Zelensky and unfortunate Ukrainians who haven’t managed to escape his regime.

I guess it’s kinda obvious in my case :)

Ukranian governement is not fascist, nor with a dictator.

It is both. Zelensky’s regime ticks almost every (or just every) description of fascism from wikipedia. He is a dictator. Even your comment in the next sentences doesn’t DISPROVE it, you merely try to JUSTIFY it.

Posting a random video, with a story, without providing a single fucking source (that isn’t russian propaganda).

I (re)posted dozens of such videos already, where my compatriots who haven’t managed to escape Zelensky’s murderous regime either fight kidnapping attempts from TCC, or try to escape or are getting caught and busified.
This was described countless times in western media https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/10/03/ukraine-is-employing-increasingly-controversial-methods-for-mobilization_6728127_4.html and I actually just found out it is also described in wikipedia now, including the word busification https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_conscription_crisis, and yet there is always someone to deny it. As for my sources, I mainly take it from Ukrainian telegram channels, where people post those from first sources.
“Ухилянт Iнфо”: https://t.me/+ECYgfpxkTz4zOGNh
“Ховайся”: https://t.me/HOVAYSY
“Реальний Київ”: https://t.me/kievreal1

But Ukrainians are Russian bots now, right? How dare we, not willing to die for your interests?

You also insinuated zelenski is exterminating his people, which is insane

Why? He literally forbade people from leaving the country, kidnaps people one by one off the streets and sends them to their deaths. How is this not an extermination? Every moment he remains in power is a moment he exterminates more and more Ukrainians, if he won’t be stopped he will kill everyone.