I like his post, and I’m a far-left gay man living in UTAH (fer chrissakes) and I have people coming over to watch the Superbowl, which is even weirder to some people. (And no not the half-time show, which usually sucks). And yes we’ll be eating spare ribs and chicken wings, the same things you “norms” eat, and even more weirdly, nobody will be wearing pink and none of us like “The Wizard of Oz.” Just putting that out there…like myself.
Sure, if you say so. And I think my point is pretty evident; I suspect you of not being who you say you are. Maybe I am wrong. The truth is I have no idea.
Where the suspicion comes from is this: If your real goal is to push the Democrats to the left because that’d be a good thing to do, let me know how you’re working on it and I’ll help you, because that mission sounds great. If your mission is to incessantly spread the message that there’s no point in voting this year because of particular flaws that Biden has, or because he’s pretty much the same as the end of the world in human skin, don’t be surprised if people assume that you’re acting in bad faith because the vast majority of people here will see that as a harmful message and activity. Surely that’s not confusing?
I mean, I’ll video call you if you want. I’ll even do it outside on the beach in Long Beach, CA. Biden is Republican-lite so he can’t be pulled left. This is a politics sub. People are free to post any and all political news. Are they not?
Maybe so. Is there a time tonight that’s good for you?
Biden is Republican-lite
Accurate
so he can’t be pulled left
According to some of the people I’ve been talking with, that’s the entire point of doing this; to threaten Biden with the prospect of lost votes unless he pulls to a more humane viewpoint on issues like Gaza. No?
This is a politics sub. People are free to post any and all political news. Are they not?
We’ve been over this. I’ll just quote myself from last time: “Me disagreeing with you is in no way shape or form ‘silencing’ you. That equivalence is another standard propaganda technique … stop using conservative propagandistic strawmen that are so well-known they’re a cliché at this point.”
For someone who’s far left, you sure seem comfortable falling back on conservative talking points that I’ve literally never seen from someone on the left.
(Actually, I would amend that – I would argue that if you’re misrepresenting yourself on purpose to create these posts to engineer a certain result, you shouldn’t be able to post. But I haven’t seen proof of that; I just have my suspicions which are maybe unfounded. And it has nothing to do with the content of the message, more the misrepresentation behind it, if that is what’s happening.)
Because I feel it’s relevant if people are coming into the community misrepresenting themselves as leftists and posting please-don’t-vote memes alongside Biden-is-old-and-in-trouble-in-the-election news stories, over and over and over again, to engineer a particular result. I feel like there’s some level of indication that that’s going on.
It’s with good reason that non-identified bots, and sockpuppets, are disallowed in a lot of places. We can all come together and have a discussion, and you can say whatever you want, but an important part of maintaining the integrity of the discussion is that you can’t come in and deliberately manipulate it by misrepresenting the source of your postings. Certain social networks can be substantially degraded by the influence of shills distorting the organic conversation; it’s happened plenty of times before.
Maybe this is all some kooky conspiracy theory of mine, but it seems weird that there are particular users that post a constant stream of a-little-out-of-place posts with a singular political slant, so if I see someone doing that, I get curious about their account. There are some other odd features of these accounts too (e.g. they are the only accounts I have ever seen specifically bring up some sort of personal “qualifications” – like where they’re from or “I’m far left” or “I’m a gay man” – as a defense against someone who’s disagreeing with them on something, instead of just talking about the non personal facts of what they’re talking about.)
IDK, maybe I’m nuts and this guy just really likes posting “please don’t vote” memes. The truth is I have no idea and maybe it’s unfair to be throwing accusations around. That’s why I phrased it as a question. But it does seem odd.
I agree a look at someone’s posting history can sometimes give a lot of insight to their character.
I just assumed you’d be able to find something more recent if it was that obvious.
Not that it matters, but I became suspicious of this user a while back, and saw that post I-don’t-remember-when; I didn’t just today do an extended scour through their history.
But again, it’s not that relevant to the central question; I think looking in detail into someone you suspect of being a shill is a sensible thing to do.
I take a quick check through people’s post histories for context, but generally I don’t assume they’re bots. I just want to make sure they’re drinking propaganda instead of having just one or two bad takes.
I respond with much more vitriol to the former than the latter.
Asking questions highlighting some way in which it seems like someone is lying, is in no way “ad hominem.” The hominem is the one who is lying, but the focus is on the lying, not the hominem.
(I mean, I don’t know. For all I know he was out all night and stumbled home at 5:09 and just had to get this meme up on Lemmy before he went to bed. I was just highlighting it as an unusual thing that’s a little suspect.)
Asking questions highlighting some way in which it seems like someone is lying, is in no way “ad hominem.” The hominem is the one who is lying, but the focus is on the lying, not the hominem.
Answer me this
You’re a far-left gay man living in LA
You were up at 2:30 in the morning on Saturday night posting this
Then you were up at 5:10 in the morning Sunday morning posting the OP, coincidentally also voting-negative, message
Do I have that right?
I like his post, and I’m a far-left gay man living in UTAH (fer chrissakes) and I have people coming over to watch the Superbowl, which is even weirder to some people. (And no not the half-time show, which usually sucks). And yes we’ll be eating spare ribs and chicken wings, the same things you “norms” eat, and even more weirdly, nobody will be wearing pink and none of us like “The Wizard of Oz.” Just putting that out there…like myself.
Yes. I’m up late playing Palworld. What’s your point?
Sure, if you say so. And I think my point is pretty evident; I suspect you of not being who you say you are. Maybe I am wrong. The truth is I have no idea.
Where the suspicion comes from is this: If your real goal is to push the Democrats to the left because that’d be a good thing to do, let me know how you’re working on it and I’ll help you, because that mission sounds great. If your mission is to incessantly spread the message that there’s no point in voting this year because of particular flaws that Biden has, or because he’s pretty much the same as the end of the world in human skin, don’t be surprised if people assume that you’re acting in bad faith because the vast majority of people here will see that as a harmful message and activity. Surely that’s not confusing?
I mean, I’ll video call you if you want. I’ll even do it outside on the beach in Long Beach, CA. Biden is Republican-lite so he can’t be pulled left. This is a politics sub. People are free to post any and all political news. Are they not?
Maybe so. Is there a time tonight that’s good for you?
Accurate
According to some of the people I’ve been talking with, that’s the entire point of doing this; to threaten Biden with the prospect of lost votes unless he pulls to a more humane viewpoint on issues like Gaza. No?
We’ve been over this. I’ll just quote myself from last time: “Me disagreeing with you is in no way shape or form ‘silencing’ you. That equivalence is another standard propaganda technique … stop using conservative propagandistic strawmen that are so well-known they’re a cliché at this point.”
For someone who’s far left, you sure seem comfortable falling back on conservative talking points that I’ve literally never seen from someone on the left.
(Actually, I would amend that – I would argue that if you’re misrepresenting yourself on purpose to create these posts to engineer a certain result, you shouldn’t be able to post. But I haven’t seen proof of that; I just have my suspicions which are maybe unfounded. And it has nothing to do with the content of the message, more the misrepresentation behind it, if that is what’s happening.)
Why are you going back a week through their posts and comments
Because I feel it’s relevant if people are coming into the community misrepresenting themselves as leftists and posting please-don’t-vote memes alongside Biden-is-old-and-in-trouble-in-the-election news stories, over and over and over again, to engineer a particular result. I feel like there’s some level of indication that that’s going on.
It’s with good reason that non-identified bots, and sockpuppets, are disallowed in a lot of places. We can all come together and have a discussion, and you can say whatever you want, but an important part of maintaining the integrity of the discussion is that you can’t come in and deliberately manipulate it by misrepresenting the source of your postings. Certain social networks can be substantially degraded by the influence of shills distorting the organic conversation; it’s happened plenty of times before.
Maybe this is all some kooky conspiracy theory of mine, but it seems weird that there are particular users that post a constant stream of a-little-out-of-place posts with a singular political slant, so if I see someone doing that, I get curious about their account. There are some other odd features of these accounts too (e.g. they are the only accounts I have ever seen specifically bring up some sort of personal “qualifications” – like where they’re from or “I’m far left” or “I’m a gay man” – as a defense against someone who’s disagreeing with them on something, instead of just talking about the non personal facts of what they’re talking about.)
IDK, maybe I’m nuts and this guy just really likes posting “please don’t vote” memes. The truth is I have no idea and maybe it’s unfair to be throwing accusations around. That’s why I phrased it as a question. But it does seem odd.
I agree a look at someone’s posting history can sometimes give a lot of insight to their character.
I just assumed you’d be able to find something more recent if it was that obvious.
Not that it matters, but I became suspicious of this user a while back, and saw that post I-don’t-remember-when; I didn’t just today do an extended scour through their history.
But again, it’s not that relevant to the central question; I think looking in detail into someone you suspect of being a shill is a sensible thing to do.
I take a quick check through people’s post histories for context, but generally I don’t assume they’re bots. I just want to make sure they’re drinking propaganda instead of having just one or two bad takes.
I respond with much more vitriol to the former than the latter.
this is pure ad hominem.
Asking questions highlighting some way in which it seems like someone is lying, is in no way “ad hominem.” The hominem is the one who is lying, but the focus is on the lying, not the hominem.
(I mean, I don’t know. For all I know he was out all night and stumbled home at 5:09 and just had to get this meme up on Lemmy before he went to bed. I was just highlighting it as an unusual thing that’s a little suspect.)
you are attacking the speaker rather than what they are saying