The much maligned “Trusted Computing” idea requires that the party you are supposed to trust deserves to be trusted, and Google is DEFINITELY NOT worthy of being trusted, this is a naked power grab to destroy the open web for Google’s ad profits no matter the consequences, this would put heavy surveillance in Google’s hands, this would eliminate ad-blocking, this would break any and all accessibility features, this would obliterate any competing platform, this is very much opposed to what the web is.

  • Gsus4@lemmy.oneEnglish
    5·
    1 year ago

    You can’t disable secure boot if you want to use your Nvidia GPU :( though. [edit2: turns out this is a linux mint thing, not the case in Debian or Fedora]

    Edit: fine, there may be workarounds and for other distros everything is awesome, but in mint and possibly Ubuntu and Debian for a laptop 2022 RTX3060 you need to set up your MOK keys in secure mode to be able to install the Nvidia drivers, outside secure mode the GPU is simply locked. I wasn’t even complaining, there is a way to get it working, so that’s fine by me. No need to tell me that I was imagining things.

    • sunbeam60@lemmy.oneEnglish
      10·
      1 year ago

      Hogwash. Running Fedora on closed source nvidia drivers with secure boot disabled.

        • sunbeam60@lemmy.oneEnglish
          12·
          1 year ago

          What does that even mean?! Yes it works for me. That’s the whole bloody point of saying it. Someone was saying “it won’t work for anyone” and I was saying “well it works for me”.

          “We can’t land at the moon!” “Eh, we already have” “‘Works for me’, so that’s not really valid”

          Head_scratch.gif

      • Gsus4@lemmy.oneEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        Me installing Linux Mint on a 2022 laptop with a Nvidia GPU (had windows 11 preinstalled, this was an alongside install). I disabled secure boot at first, but still had to go all the way back and set up my MOK keys and turn on secure boot properly with another password to unlock the GPU.

            • wim@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
              8·
              1 year ago

              Literally buy anything but Nvidia. Intel, AMD have upstream drivers that work regardless of secure boot. Various ARM platforms also have free drivers.

              It used to be that there waa only bad choices, now there really is only one bad choice left.

              Intel Arc still has some teething problems, particularly with power management on laptops, but AMD has been smooth sailing for almost a decade now.

            • wim@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
              2·
              1 year ago

              For many reasons. Nvidia requiring secure boot in this case, which is not available for all distros or kernels on all computers.

              The other is requiring a workable kernel module and user space component from Nvidia, which means that as soon as Nvidia deprecates your hardware, you’re stuck with legacy drivers, legacy kernels, or both.

              Nvidia also has it’s own separate userspace stack, meaning it doesn’t integrate with the whole DRM & Mesa stack everyone else uses. For the longest time that meant no Wayland support, and it still means you’re limited to Gnome only on wayland when using Nvidia AFAIK.

              Another issue is switcheable graphics. Since systems with switchable graphics typically combine a Mesa based driver stack (aka everyone but Nvidia, but typically this would be AMD or Intel integrated graphics) with an Nvidia one, it involves swapping out the entire library chain (OpenGL or Vulkan or whatever libraries). This is typically done by using ugly hacks (wrapper scripts using LD_PRELOAD for example) and are prone to failure. Symptoms can be anything as mild as everything running on the integrated graphics, the discrete graphics never sleeping causing poor battery life or high power consumption, to booting to a black screen all or some of the time.

              If these things don’t bother you or you have no idea what these things mean, or you don’t care about them or your hardware lasting more than 3-5y then it probably isn’t a big deal to you. But none of the above exist when using Intel, AMD or a mix of those two.

              In my experience the past twenty years, proprietary drivers are the root cause of I would say 90% of my issues using Linux.

        • MJBrune@beehaw.orgEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          I used fedora in 2022 with an Nvidia GPU and used the proprietary drivers just fine. Perhaps there was something different between your system and mine. Newer GPU perhaps? Mine was a 1080.

        • this_is_router@feddit.deEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          Never heard of this before and couldn’t find anything about secure boot being required to be enabled to use the Nvidia drivers with Linux.

          But since you used dual boot you need to have secure boot enabled anyway, because win 11 would not work without it, would it?

    • beefcat@beehaw.orgEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      My experience is that Nvidia plays nicer without secure boot. Getting Fedora up and running with the proprietary Nvidia drivers and fully working SecureBoot was quite a headache, whereas everything just worked out of the box when I disabled it.

      But this is very much an Nvidia problem and not a SecureBoot problem. There is a reason basically no-one else provides their drivers as one-size-fits-all binary kernel modules.