• TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    You are obtuse and not worth the time of answering. You fail to understand real politic and misunderstand the functional role of a president. You live in a fantasy of how you wish things were instead of how they are. I’m ignoring the attempts you make to sideline the primary thrust of this conversation, which is : Is the President responsible for the outcomes of their tenure? I’m not interested in some non-sequitur sidebar conversation you seem interested in having, because you are barely worth my time as it is. We’re going to stay focused.

    Biden is responsible for his failures and he’ll be held accountable for them. Pretending that the buck doesn’t stop with the president doesn’t change the fact that ultimately, a president is responsible for the outcomes of government during their tenure. That’s how the world works, in-spite of your desire to live in a fantasy that is otherwise. Because of this, defending Biden’s poor record on outcomes becomes an unconvincing argument on why to support him, and highlights his weakness, broadly, as a leader. Engaging in apologetics does more to damage Biden’s chances than it does to support them. We need Biden to win or we’re beyond fucked, but he has to actually do better. It can’t be in the form of soundbytes or apologetics from the media or his online sycophants.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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      8 months ago

      Is the President responsible for the outcomes of their tenure?

      Again, not always.

      I have answered your question twice. I have asked you twice to answer mine. Will you?

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        8 months ago

        And you are 100% delusional about that answer. You are simply wrong.

        A president or any other leader is always responsible for the outcomes of their tenure. Always and immutably. It doesn’t matter why the failure happened. It doesn’t matter if they were stymied or an asteroid hits or a pandemic occurs. The buck stops there.

        You can feign ignorance of that or pretend its some other way, but it doesn’t change anything.

        The pandemic happened under Trump and he was ultimately held accountable for that. In spite of his shockingly poor ability to mange the state through the pandemic he still barely lost. If not for the randomness of a global pandemic, and his utterly bungled response, he’d probably still be President now.

        Biden is accountable for the US’s failure to support Ukraine. Biden is responsible for the US enabling of a genocide in Israel. Biden is also responsible for how peoples lives have improved or failed to improve post covid. If he can get some loan forgiveness to people on student loans, he’ll be responsible for that too.

        Deferring responsibility isn’t just a bad look, its a direct example of one being disqualified for the role they are seeking. When you argue that someone else is responsible for Biden failure to get things done, you are arguing that Biden is not qualified for the office.

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            8 months ago

            I’m not interested in a sidebar. I’m only interested in discussing the main point of this conversation.

            • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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              8 months ago

              You aren’t interested in discussing something you brought up? That sounds like you know the answer is inconvenient.

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                8 months ago

                You sound like a genocidal apologist whose arguments are weakening Biden’s chances of winning the general election, who also has no conception of leadership or responsibility, stuck in a boot-loop unable to understand why they keep voting correctly but the world continues to fall apart around them, unable to understand how their apologetic’s are actually an argument in favor of the other guy.

                I think you can do better, and I hope you choose to.

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                    8 months ago

                    inconvenient question

                    There is no inconvenient question. Just an apologist spinning in circles wondering why their candidate is losing the general election.