Hundreds of people have died during this year’s Hajj pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia as the faithful faced intense high temperatures at Islamic holy sites in the desert kingdom.
Allah: “As faithful Muslims, I command you to make a pilgrimage to the desert in the middle of June.”
Muslims: “Yes, O Lord!” [Proceed to die of heat exhaustion.]
Allah: “Ha ha! Fuck you!” [Goes off to hang out with the virgins those guys didn’t get for not dying as martyrs.]
Why aren’t they martyrs? They literally died for their religious belief.
noun One who chooses to suffer death rather than renounce religious principles. - The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.
That’s not what the term martyr means when we’re referring to Islam tho. They’re usually referring to Jihad which is much more specific. (And problematic)
Also, imagine thinking an American dictionary and en English word mean anything when the only ‘true’ reading of this religion is Arabic
It just feels off to me that only war could bring someone to martyrdom. There’s no way a religion wouldn’t honor those who died putting in effort. I would argue that the idea runs contradictory to pretty much any religion with a central Deity. People wouldn’t put in the effort otherwise.
According to Wikipedia (not definitive but at least this source is universal) the first martyr was a woman who did not die in a war. She was murdered for converting. This page also lists sources for ways to be martyred in nonmilitary efforts.
Here is a thread I found on reddit called Explain To Me Martyrdom that also states not all martyrs die in war.
Those are the hadiths which is kinda like a state law vs a national law where the national law overpowers the state law (except in specific circumstances) or how the us constitution overrides national law. The quran is the only book that’s the word of God, and if you take all the hadiths as truth you open Islam up to all kinds of other critiques. Besides that, the shia/sunni split has a ton of hadith issues where they only treat some as truth and not others. For the record it’s not just Muslims or something. All of the Abrahamic religions are immensely fucked and I’m pretty sure I could make a similar case for most others. Even fucking Buddhism is being used to justify an ethnic cleansing rn.
You have definitely made me reflect on what I said and I shouldn’t have made such a claim when I don’t really know what I’m talking about entirely.
Why aren’t they martyrs? They literally died for their religious belief.
I think dying during pilgrimage is supposed to confer similar benefits to martyrdom.
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Well, maybe one virgin and an old slut from Philly.
That’s not what the term martyr means when we’re referring to Islam tho. They’re usually referring to Jihad which is much more specific. (And problematic)
Also, imagine thinking an American dictionary and en English word mean anything when the only ‘true’ reading of this religion is Arabic
dude you clearly don’t know anything about Islam. it neither restricts martyrdom nor the concept of jihad to war.
It just feels off to me that only war could bring someone to martyrdom. There’s no way a religion wouldn’t honor those who died putting in effort. I would argue that the idea runs contradictory to pretty much any religion with a central Deity. People wouldn’t put in the effort otherwise.
According to Wikipedia (not definitive but at least this source is universal) the first martyr was a woman who did not die in a war. She was murdered for converting. This page also lists sources for ways to be martyred in nonmilitary efforts.
Here is a thread I found on reddit called Explain To Me Martyrdom that also states not all martyrs die in war.
Those are the hadiths which is kinda like a state law vs a national law where the national law overpowers the state law (except in specific circumstances) or how the us constitution overrides national law. The quran is the only book that’s the word of God, and if you take all the hadiths as truth you open Islam up to all kinds of other critiques. Besides that, the shia/sunni split has a ton of hadith issues where they only treat some as truth and not others. For the record it’s not just Muslims or something. All of the Abrahamic religions are immensely fucked and I’m pretty sure I could make a similar case for most others. Even fucking Buddhism is being used to justify an ethnic cleansing rn.
You have definitely made me reflect on what I said and I shouldn’t have made such a claim when I don’t really know what I’m talking about entirely.