This is Left Praxis, LIBERALS would never understand the 4d chess involved in how Trump winning helps Palestine and American minorities.

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    If it happened before, what is stopping it from happening again?

    The same thing that would have stopped it in 2000 - an undeniable vote margin advantage in the contested state.

    Why do you feel the need to pretend the US is suddenly becoming undemocratic?

    Why do you feel the need to downplay and normalize the threat to democracy currently occurring?

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      Republicans have been like this for a long time, why are you denying it? It was bad in the 80s too. Did you forget Reagan? And his genocide against gay people during the AIDs crisis? Saying the Republicans have always been bad doesn’t make Trump any less bad.

      https://prospect.org/politics/2024-07-10-project-2025-republican-presidencies-tradition/

      Then as now, the Heritage Foundation gave a Republican president a blueprint to do it. Indeed, Project 2025’s Mandate for Leadership shares the same name, and same format, with the volume Heritage published in 1981.

      If anything, acknowledging this history strengthens your case against Trump, because we can look at the impacts of Republican policies and nominations.

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        Saying the Republicans have always been bad doesn’t make Trump any less bad.

        Republicans have always been bad, I’m pretty sure I was clear about that. But a presidential election of a Republican has not, previously, been a threat to the basic functioning of democracy. Now if you’re done playing apologist for the first attempted autocouper in US history…

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          Someone would have to be out of their mind to interpret anything I have said as being a Trump apologist. Weren’t you just complaining about “purging” over disagreements? You seem perfectly happy to call me a “Trump apologist” for pointing out history. Recognizing that Trump is part of a broader pattern of conservative policies can only help.

          And Trump was not the only coup in the US https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmington_massacre

          But there are plenty of ways Republicans are currently awful, and have been awful. Are you saying that January 6th was worse than the genocidal handling of the AIDS crisis, worse than successful US-backed coups in South America? Worse than the GOPs ongoing history of voter suppression? It’s all bad.

          edit: v cute how quickly you downvoted me 🥺

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            And Trump was not the only coup in the US https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmington_massacre

            And here I thought it was apparent that I was talking about the national government when discussing the fucking USA. And that’s not a fucking autocoup in any case, which is what I said.

            Someone would have to be out of their mind to interpret anything I have said as being a Trump apologist.

            But there are plenty of ways Republicans are currently awful, and have been awful. Are you saying that January 6th was worse than the AIDS crisis, worse than successful US-backed coups in South America? Worse than the GOPs ongoing history of voter suppression? It’s all bad.

            Uh huh. Sure. Making equivalences of the first attempted autocoup with prior Republican policy doesn’t sound like Trump apologia at all.

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              Do you really not see the parallels of a white supremacist coup? Even if it is state, and not federal?

              So … you do think January 6th is worse than all that? You just want to ignore history? Why? Republicans have been bad? Can you please explain why you want to deny that Republicans have always had awful, anti-democratic strategies that rely on disenfranchisement? Trump is part of a larger pattern, there is a reason he was able to rise to power. It’s not like Hitler was the first person to think up anti-semetism.

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                It’s not like Hitler was the first person to think up anti-semetism.

                And if you tried to play apologist for Hitler by trying to make an equivalence between him and all prior antisemites, it would sound about the same as this does.

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                  Have you never heard of antisemitic pogroms?Hitler had technological advances for his genocide, but he was far from the first.

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      And here you are kind of defending the Republicans? Like, oh the vote margin was small so it was kind of okay? Wtf? lol

      Why wouldn’t there be narrow vote margins again? It’s not implausible.

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        And here you are kind of defending the Republicans? Like, oh the vote margin was small so it was kind of okay? Wtf? lol

        You asked me what would stop it, not what was okay. Or have you forgotten?