How come Trump isn’t in prison then if violence is so bad? That monster moved waves of people to kill for him and destroyed countless lives even before ever becoming president. And now that his crimes can no longer be hidden or defended the supreme court rules him immune from the law. There is no peaceful status quo to go back to, we’re way past that point! He continues to openly contribute and endorse mass murder and we still pretend like there’s some peace to go back to, it’s too late. Trump and his cabal have destroyed all semblance of “rule of law”, they established that might makes right and thus no law can be used to stop him.
Trump’s decisions made out of greed and malice killed untold thousands of people, and stripped rights away from thousands more. He’s made it very clear he intends to double down if elected again. Killing him before he manages to worm his way back into the oval office could save so many lives, and improve the quality of life for millions. I feel like that makes it morally justifiable to kill him. It’s basically self defense.
I agree with you in spirit, but your argument can be stretched to justify actions I’m sure you would not approve of.
What about all the people killed by drone strikes under the Obama administration? Would assassinating him be justifiable as self defense?
And how does killing Trump solve anything? The republican party will keep chugging along fine trying to take your rights away but now they’ll have a martyr.
So it’s only bad when it’s “political” and an “assassination”. As long as it’s behind closed doors or indirect it’s A-ok, gotcha… As long as you got the government and supreme court covering your ass it’s fine… /s
I’m not trying to justify political violence, I’m trying to point out that we’re way past the point of no return. Even if we manage to vote out Trump and he steps down quietly (even tho he constantly says he won’t go down peacefully and demonstrated his stubbornness to comply with democracy countless times), the system still needs major reform if we don’t want a repeat of this whole mess next election. MAGA established a new norm that erodes the possibility of a democracy. We have somebody with more crimes under his belt than I can count at the top with his lawyers arguing he should be allowed to assassinate political rivals! They can say this AND NO-ONE IS LAUGHING EM OUT THE BUILDING! This would be unimaginable 10 years ago, but it is the world we live in now, the world MAGA created and wishes to further peruse.
What are you saying? You’re not trying to justify political violence, but we’re past the point of return. Therefore political violence is necessary?
Why are we past the point of no return? How does political violence reform the system? How does reforming the system change the fact that millions and millions of people vote for someone like Trump?
Violence has no place in a functional democracy. I’d argue it was barely “functional” before, but now it’s no longer a “democracy” either. A democracy requires power to belong to the people. MAGA doesn’t allow that and enacts laws 70% of the country doesn’t agree with. A democracy requires checks and balances. MAGA doesn’t allow that by giving its members imunity from those laws.
If Trump was in prison, I wouldn’t even care. But we live in a world where he committed (and vocally plans to continue) soo many crimes the only way out for him was the supreme court declaring him above law. US democracy isn’t under threat, it is in purgatory and future events will decide if it can be rebuilt or left to rot for the foreseeable future.
The fact that his lawyers can argue he should be able to eliminate political rivals should have been a wakeup call to everyone, it’s sad it wasn’t, now it only cements the new world MAGA wishes to establish. I remember a time where planing to eliminate the current/former president was an act of treason, we no longer live in that world, because MAGA showed there’s no repercussions.
As for stopping people from voting for assholes, that’s literally all about reform. People need to be educated to think for them selves. Currently the school system just teaches to recite facts from a book and praise the flag. Not to mention we live in a hierarchy from birth, be it family, school and then work, until we die we must kiss somebody’s ass. And then we are expected to participate in a democracy? Most people have never seen such a thing!
How come Trump isn’t in prison then if violence is so bad? That monster moved waves of people to kill for him and destroyed countless lives even before ever becoming president. And now that his crimes can no longer be hidden or defended the supreme court rules him immune from the law. There is no peaceful status quo to go back to, we’re way past that point! He continues to openly contribute and endorse mass murder and we still pretend like there’s some peace to go back to, it’s too late. Trump and his cabal have destroyed all semblance of “rule of law”, they established that might makes right and thus no law can be used to stop him.
Literally whataboutism.
Somebody needs to make the fucking ~~patrick ~~ friends meme about these kinds of comments.
Political
Assasinations
Are
Bad
Political assasinations are ok if I think the politician deserves it
Trump’s decisions made out of greed and malice killed untold thousands of people, and stripped rights away from thousands more. He’s made it very clear he intends to double down if elected again. Killing him before he manages to worm his way back into the oval office could save so many lives, and improve the quality of life for millions. I feel like that makes it morally justifiable to kill him. It’s basically self defense.
I agree with you in spirit, but your argument can be stretched to justify actions I’m sure you would not approve of.
What about all the people killed by drone strikes under the Obama administration? Would assassinating him be justifiable as self defense?
And how does killing Trump solve anything? The republican party will keep chugging along fine trying to take your rights away but now they’ll have a martyr.
World leaders would be far less likely to order drone strikes or declare war if their skin might be on the line too.
Killing Trump deprives them of their only viable candidate for this election.
The martyr effect is definitely a valid argument, but that’s more of a tactical concern than an ethical one.
So it’s only bad when it’s “political” and an “assassination”. As long as it’s behind closed doors or indirect it’s A-ok, gotcha… As long as you got the government and supreme court covering your ass it’s fine… /s
I’m not trying to justify political violence, I’m trying to point out that we’re way past the point of no return. Even if we manage to vote out Trump and he steps down quietly (even tho he constantly says he won’t go down peacefully and demonstrated his stubbornness to comply with democracy countless times), the system still needs major reform if we don’t want a repeat of this whole mess next election. MAGA established a new norm that erodes the possibility of a democracy. We have somebody with more crimes under his belt than I can count at the top with his lawyers arguing he should be allowed to assassinate political rivals! They can say this AND NO-ONE IS LAUGHING EM OUT THE BUILDING! This would be unimaginable 10 years ago, but it is the world we live in now, the world MAGA created and wishes to further peruse.
What are you saying? You’re not trying to justify political violence, but we’re past the point of return. Therefore political violence is necessary?
Why are we past the point of no return? How does political violence reform the system? How does reforming the system change the fact that millions and millions of people vote for someone like Trump?
Violence has no place in a functional democracy. I’d argue it was barely “functional” before, but now it’s no longer a “democracy” either. A democracy requires power to belong to the people. MAGA doesn’t allow that and enacts laws 70% of the country doesn’t agree with. A democracy requires checks and balances. MAGA doesn’t allow that by giving its members imunity from those laws.
If Trump was in prison, I wouldn’t even care. But we live in a world where he committed (and vocally plans to continue) soo many crimes the only way out for him was the supreme court declaring him above law. US democracy isn’t under threat, it is in purgatory and future events will decide if it can be rebuilt or left to rot for the foreseeable future.
The fact that his lawyers can argue he should be able to eliminate political rivals should have been a wakeup call to everyone, it’s sad it wasn’t, now it only cements the new world MAGA wishes to establish. I remember a time where planing to eliminate the current/former president was an act of treason, we no longer live in that world, because MAGA showed there’s no repercussions.
As for stopping people from voting for assholes, that’s literally all about reform. People need to be educated to think for them selves. Currently the school system just teaches to recite facts from a book and praise the flag. Not to mention we live in a hierarchy from birth, be it family, school and then work, until we die we must kiss somebody’s ass. And then we are expected to participate in a democracy? Most people have never seen such a thing!
That’s the friends meme, tho.
thank you