My argument is that violent revolution doesn’t seem to work out as well as advertised, especially with Marxism.
The Chinese revolution killed millions of people, many who were innocent.
All to end up with an oligarchy ruling over them and fabricating statistics.
This is false. The Chinese Revolution against the Nationalists was bloody, yes, but was caused by Nationalist oppression. What they have now is a functional state with high approval ratings (and no evidence shown of fabricated approval ratings or oligarchy on your part). They aren’t perfect, but they are much better off.
Articles from Salon and Cambridge, both of which include vast and thorough references like English Bankers saying “I don’t believe the numbers.” Lmao
By Tell others, I mean just that.
Marxism may have started out wonderfully ideal. In reality if you express opinions outside of the acceptable party lines - You are silenced or worse. This is true of all of your examples of Marxism.
This happens under Capitalism, to a worse degree.
Definitely not telling folks what to do. Definitely Ideals to hold up in arguments.
You’re using Amnesty.org as a resource, a far-right think-tank. This doesn’t look better for you.
I disagree that revolution has resulted in the best possible position for Cuba, Russa, China and other Marxist regimes you’ve held up.
With nothing to support your claims, of course, just your latent chauvanism, where you think you have an “enlightened western brain” rather than letting countries govern themselves.
As stated, I’m not for telling people what to do.
Doesn’t seem as if you asked, but I’m against slave labor, authoritarianism, patriarchies, colonialism, corporotocracy and feudalism.
Except you did defend them against improvements like Marxism.
Capitalism never died in the places you think Marxism ruled
It was drastically reduced or outright eliminated, and these countries are better for it.
More Amnesty.org links, more western chauvanism, it’s clear you’ll continue batting for fascists.
This is false. The Chinese Revolution against the Nationalists was bloody, yes, but was caused by Nationalist oppression. What they have now is a functional state with high approval >ratings (and no evidence shown of fabricated approval ratings or oligarchy on your part). They aren’t perfect, but they are much better off.
As noted, I’m against telling people what to do. Fascists and Marxists do that historically.
Your response isn’t well they’re better and they don’t do that.
This happens under Capitalism, to a worse degree.
All Vibes, no substance.
Except you did defend them against improvements like Marxism.
I asked you to provide examples of Marxism being a better working system. We haven’t gotten there yet. We still have to prove Marxism is a workable improvement over existing systems.
It was drastically reduced or outright eliminated, and these countries are better for it.
All Vibes, no substance. Where’s your source?
Who is Amnesty.org
From the Link:
They’re not just one nationality or think tank. It’s a global movement of more than 10 million people which campaigns for a world where human rights are enjoyed by all.
Their stated vision: is of a world where those in power keep their promises, respect international law and are held to account.
Your stated vision:
Establish a single ruling party to (tell everyone what to do) ensure everyone pays tribute to a single party that makes sweeping rules over everyone, and lies to everyone about what they’re actually doing.
They’ll become nobles of the in clique who get to exploit the proles for their labor and resources.
If you disagree with the in clique, guess you go back to being a lowly worker.
More Amnesty.org links, more western chauvanism, it’s clear you’ll continue batting for fascists.
As stated. Not about telling people how they have to do things. Not a nationalist.
You’re trying to attack me now? We’re debating ideas. You accused me of all vibes no substance.
I start providing substance and you switch to all vibe. Again I attest, you are arguing in bad faith.
Keep saying fake news. You sound like you work for Trump, a solid fascist. Do you?
I am so glad you provided sources to back up your… Postive Vibes.
That link you didn’t provide, it is totally convincing everyone that the humanitarian reports are entirely fabricated.
The reports coming from independent journalists and screen recordings of folks being threatened for expressing dissent. Fake news according to you?
This is false. The Chinese Revolution against the Nationalists was bloody, yes, but was caused by Nationalist oppression. What they have now is a functional state with high approval ratings (and no evidence shown of fabricated approval ratings or oligarchy on your part). They aren’t perfect, but they are much better off.
Articles from Salon and Cambridge, both of which include vast and thorough references like English Bankers saying “I don’t believe the numbers.” Lmao
This happens under Capitalism, to a worse degree.
You’re using Amnesty.org as a resource, a far-right think-tank. This doesn’t look better for you.
With nothing to support your claims, of course, just your latent chauvanism, where you think you have an “enlightened western brain” rather than letting countries govern themselves.
Except you did defend them against improvements like Marxism.
It was drastically reduced or outright eliminated, and these countries are better for it.
More Amnesty.org links, more western chauvanism, it’s clear you’ll continue batting for fascists.
Thanks for providing counter examples of how they aren’t fabricating data. Since you claim it’s only about banks
As noted, I’m against telling people what to do. Fascists and Marxists do that historically. Your response isn’t well they’re better and they don’t do that.
All Vibes, no substance.
I asked you to provide examples of Marxism being a better working system. We haven’t gotten there yet. We still have to prove Marxism is a workable improvement over existing systems.
All Vibes, no substance. Where’s your source?
Who is Amnesty.org From the Link: They’re not just one nationality or think tank. It’s a global movement of more than 10 million people which campaigns for a world where human rights are enjoyed by all.
Their stated vision: is of a world where those in power keep their promises, respect international law and are held to account.
Your stated vision: Establish a single ruling party to (tell everyone what to do) ensure everyone pays tribute to a single party that makes sweeping rules over everyone, and lies to everyone about what they’re actually doing.
They’ll become nobles of the in clique who get to exploit the proles for their labor and resources. If you disagree with the in clique, guess you go back to being a lowly worker.
How it is: Where China is now Express too much dissent and you can’t even get public transit tickets. Banned from buying tickets
As stated. Not about telling people how they have to do things. Not a nationalist. You’re trying to attack me now? We’re debating ideas. You accused me of all vibes no substance. I start providing substance and you switch to all vibe. Again I attest, you are arguing in bad faith.
Keep saying fake news. You sound like you work for Trump, a solid fascist. Do you?
I am so glad you provided sources to back up your… Postive Vibes.
That link you didn’t provide, it is totally convincing everyone that the humanitarian reports are entirely fabricated.
The reports coming from independent journalists and screen recordings of folks being threatened for expressing dissent. Fake news according to you?