i don’t know how to respond to who has been propagandized to this level; i would share a couple links to laws & videos enacted by democrats that have embraced xenophobia but the way you’re punching down/left with your comment and my experience with lemmy.world pre-informs me that you’re going to disregard it anyways.
i hope you that one day you can see how your views have been given to you instead of you learning them for yourself.
It’s hard not to feel abject rage at a comment like this.
Tell me more about how the undocumented migrants being rounded up and forced into concentration camps are “incredibly privileged” and how the democrats supporting it are “fighting against xenophobia.” Bull-fucking-shit. “Incredibly privileged,” you’re appropriating language meant to critique the powerful and using it to defend them and punch down and ignore the struggles that marginalized people face. Disgusting.
Oh, hey, it’s the lemmy.ml user who approves of China rounding up Uyghurs and doing whatever in the camps. Always fun to see you lecture people about human rights abuses from your glass house.
I agree we need to immediately address the humanitarian crisis at the border, but literally the only ones who are refusing to do so are the Republicans Trump Cultists, and they control half of congress right now.
Maybe help more Democrats get elected so we can get a real solution, and more legal pathways to citizenship, instead of just claiming “the Dems are the real fascists”.
Nobody had any problems correctly calling them concentration camps when Trump was president. Now, you’re literally over here going to bat for ICE. Now, all of a sudden, you trust ICE to decide if someone’s a security risk. People can be held in these camps indefinitely for no crime other than crossing the border. This is the same system, by the way, with kangaroo courts where young children are made to defend themselves in court, with no right to an attorney, against the threat of deportation.
Especially compared to the fact Trump
This is whataboutism. The question wasn’t “who’s worse on immigration” the question was “do the democrats engage in/fail to fight xenophobia.” If you want to tell me that you’re holding your nose and voting for a lesser evil that still engages in and promotes xenophobic policies, that’s one thing, but you’re claiming that the democrats don’t engage in xenophobia at all. You’re moving the goalposts from “not xenophobic” to “less xenophobic than Trump.”
agree we need to immediately address the humanitarian crisis at the border, but literally the only ones who are refusing to do so are the Republicans Trump Cultists, and they control half of congress right now.
Really, and what does “addressing the humanitarian crisis” look like, exactly? Does it look like this?
The Biden-backed compromise bill was crafted to reduce border crossings, raise the standard for migrants to qualify for asylum and empower officials to rapidly send away those who fail to meet that standard. It would give the president power to shut down the border if migration levels exceed certain thresholds. On the brink of its release earlier this year, Lankford told NBC News it was “by far the most conservative border security bill in four decades.”
In 2018, the Trump administration tried to enact similar border restrictions but courts blocked them. The Biden administration now expects to defend the executive action against legal challenges…
Many immigrant advocates are furious at the president’s harsher immigration policies and argue the changes will cause chaos.
“It is a betrayal of what we were told in his campaign four years ago,” said Lindsay Toczylowski, the executive director for the California-based Immigrant Defenders Law Center. “We were told that President Biden would be restoring humanity at our border. … But what we are seeing is that history is repeating itself.”
Lee Gelernt, the deputy director of the ACLU’s Immigrants’ Rights Project who argued the challenge to asylum restrictions during the Trump administration, said the advocacy group planned to sue.
“A ban on asylum is illegal just as it was when Trump unsuccessfully tried it,” Gelernt said in a statement.
Your support for the marginalized is entirely mercenary. When you can use their plight to help your team win an election, you have nothing but sympathy for them against those cruel, evil, xenophobic Republicans. But when your team is the one doing it, when the truth becomes inconvenient for you, suddenly you don’t give a single shit about them and happily cheerlead immigration cops, concentration camps, and giving unpresidented powers to the president to shut down the border for no reason. It’s absolute, tribalistic loyalty, and any principles or empathy you might pretend to have are always secondary to saying whatever helps your team.
Do you think there’s a difference between the Dems having migrants detained for on average a month (farrrrr less than the limit for pretrial detention for even citizens), just to process paperwork and decide whether they can come in or not, and the Republicans who intentionally used it to punish and seperate families, and plans to use the military to round up millions of immigrants?
Absolutely incredible the lengths you’re willing to go to to throw minorities under the bus and downplay what’s happening the very moment it becomes inconvenient to you. What you described is absolutely not what’s happening. The system doesn’t fundamentally change overnight the moment a democrat gets in office, immigrants are still being detained en masse, indefinitely, in terrible conditions, with no due process or right to council. If it’s just about “processing paperwork” then why did Biden shut down asylum and try to pass a bill giving the president the power to unilaterally shut down the border?
Again, this isn’t about the Republicans. You’re doing whataboutism again. You chose to make that irrelevant when you made the claim, not that democrats were merely “less xenophobic than Republicans” but “not xenophobic at all.” I don’t want to hear another word from you trying to change the subject to something irrelevant like that to weasel your way out of this.
Oh, I understand enough. You have a pet cause, but don’t care enough to vote in your cause’s best interests and are choosing to let the masses choose for you. What more is there to know? What nuance is going to make your choice the best path forward for your cause?
Justify it however you want, most people are going to see through your excuses without much effort.
yes vote; just not for kamala or trump.
Which will do what? Other than making yourself feel better.
prejudice and xenophobia have had an extensive impact on my life; i’m not going to be a party to perpetuating it further and to more fatal extreme.
You’d have to be incredibly privileged to think the Democrats in any way take part in/don’t fight against perpetuating xenophobia in America.
i don’t know how to respond to who has been propagandized to this level; i would share a couple links to laws & videos enacted by democrats that have embraced xenophobia but the way you’re punching down/left with your comment and my experience with lemmy.world pre-informs me that you’re going to disregard it anyways.
i hope you that one day you can see how your views have been given to you instead of you learning them for yourself.
Projection
It’s hard not to feel abject rage at a comment like this.
Tell me more about how the undocumented migrants being rounded up and forced into concentration camps are “incredibly privileged” and how the democrats supporting it are “fighting against xenophobia.” Bull-fucking-shit. “Incredibly privileged,” you’re appropriating language meant to critique the powerful and using it to defend them and punch down and ignore the struggles that marginalized people face. Disgusting.
Oh, hey, it’s the lemmy.ml user who approves of China rounding up Uyghurs and doing whatever in the camps. Always fun to see you lecture people about human rights abuses from your glass house.
The dems are keeping undocumented migrants in concentration camps?
I’d say being detained for at most a month to a couple months, to a year if deemed an immediate security risk. Is a very far cry from a concentration camp. Especially compared to the fact Trump literally wants to use the military to round up millions of migrants and place them in actual camps.
I agree we need to immediately address the humanitarian crisis at the border, but literally the only ones who are refusing to do so are the
RepublicansTrump Cultists, and they control half of congress right now.Maybe help more Democrats get elected so we can get a real solution, and more legal pathways to citizenship, instead of just claiming “the Dems are the real fascists”.
Nobody had any problems correctly calling them concentration camps when Trump was president. Now, you’re literally over here going to bat for ICE. Now, all of a sudden, you trust ICE to decide if someone’s a security risk. People can be held in these camps indefinitely for no crime other than crossing the border. This is the same system, by the way, with kangaroo courts where young children are made to defend themselves in court, with no right to an attorney, against the threat of deportation.
This is whataboutism. The question wasn’t “who’s worse on immigration” the question was “do the democrats engage in/fail to fight xenophobia.” If you want to tell me that you’re holding your nose and voting for a lesser evil that still engages in and promotes xenophobic policies, that’s one thing, but you’re claiming that the democrats don’t engage in xenophobia at all. You’re moving the goalposts from “not xenophobic” to “less xenophobic than Trump.”
Really, and what does “addressing the humanitarian crisis” look like, exactly? Does it look like this?
Or does it look like shutting down asylum?
Your support for the marginalized is entirely mercenary. When you can use their plight to help your team win an election, you have nothing but sympathy for them against those cruel, evil, xenophobic Republicans. But when your team is the one doing it, when the truth becomes inconvenient for you, suddenly you don’t give a single shit about them and happily cheerlead immigration cops, concentration camps, and giving unpresidented powers to the president to shut down the border for no reason. It’s absolute, tribalistic loyalty, and any principles or empathy you might pretend to have are always secondary to saying whatever helps your team.
Do you think there’s a difference between the Dems having migrants detained for on average a month (farrrrr less than the limit for pretrial detention for even citizens), just to process paperwork and decide whether they can come in or not, and the Republicans who intentionally used it to punish and seperate families, and plans to use the military to round up millions of immigrants?
Absolutely incredible the lengths you’re willing to go to to throw minorities under the bus and downplay what’s happening the very moment it becomes inconvenient to you. What you described is absolutely not what’s happening. The system doesn’t fundamentally change overnight the moment a democrat gets in office, immigrants are still being detained en masse, indefinitely, in terrible conditions, with no due process or right to council. If it’s just about “processing paperwork” then why did Biden shut down asylum and try to pass a bill giving the president the power to unilaterally shut down the border?
Again, this isn’t about the Republicans. You’re doing whataboutism again. You chose to make that irrelevant when you made the claim, not that democrats were merely “less xenophobic than Republicans” but “not xenophobic at all.” I don’t want to hear another word from you trying to change the subject to something irrelevant like that to weasel your way out of this.
they’re sealioning you in an attempt to frustrate you; don’t feed the troll.
And so you’re not even going to try to prevent worse? Lol ok.
Gotta love it when people virtue signal on the Internet while admitting they plan to do nothing about the thing they “care” about.
i love it even more when people sit and judge without bothering to understand; it’s why things are so fucked.
Oh, I understand enough. You have a pet cause, but don’t care enough to vote in your cause’s best interests and are choosing to let the masses choose for you. What more is there to know? What nuance is going to make your choice the best path forward for your cause?
Justify it however you want, most people are going to see through your excuses without much effort.
It’s easy to mistake people not liking your shitty mood for prejudice and xenophobia, especially when you refuse to self reflect.
I hope things get better for you.
it was enshrined in law and your shitty projects and assumptions make it clear why things are fucked
If you say so, boss 👉👈
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Lmao, you have 0 pull here or in the real world.
At least the folks in my tarnished country get to have a say 🤷
same is true for you; are you a child?
I wish was capable of saying something as kind about you without lying
I love your identity politics.
Most good-faith tankie?