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    Authorizing sending arms/aid to Ukraine is not the same as voting for war in Ukraine. No one wanted Russia to invade Ukraine either time but it did. Russia chose to start a war Ukraine decided to defend itself.

    It’s hard to believe so many peoples heads can fit up Putin’s asshole while simultaneously sucking him off.

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      The thing is, Greenwald must know that. He’s not an idiot. He can follow an order of events. So this is all just a big game to him.

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        My favorite part of the Dominion lawsuit was all of the internal messages showing Fox News hosts willfully lying to their viewers. Nearly all of the conservative ragebait is people being facetious with reality for political purposes.

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          That was my “favorite” part as well, it shows that it’s all propaganda and they’re knowingly lying to people. They’re misleading the American public, fomenting dissonance and fueling conspiracies for a paycheck.

          The J6 insurrection wouldn’t have happened if not for these people. A million dead from a respiratory virus thanks in-part to their anti-mask, anti-science rhetoric wouldn’t have happened if not for these people. They’re propagandists, grifters and confidence artists, nothing more; they’re bad people who are a net-negative to society. Frankly they’re dangerous and there should be consequences for knowingly lying and pretending to be a news source.

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          Also the messages that have come out from Trump staffers showing they knew the ‘stolen election’ thing was total BS… but many went on to publicly support the idea.

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        He vehemently claimed Russia wasn’t going to invade Ukraine when US intelligence came out and said it in advance. And then when Russia invaded, he shifted to all new bullshit, instead of having any self reflection.

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          In fairness almost everyone though the US intelligence service was pulling another Iraq when they said Russia was going to invade. Everyone but Putin saw how bad of a move it would be for Russia and assumed it was posturing.

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            Exactly. These confidently incorrect statements people make in hindsight are like they weren’t around before the invasion, or at least weren’t paying attention.

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    What actually happened to Greenwald? I mean, he’s obviously lost his mind, and he’s been going down the right-wing conspiracy rabbit hole for years, but how did he get there? What bizarre side-tunnel on the left took him to the right?

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      It’s very simple. Catering to the right wing nut jobs brings a lot of attention, which for someone like Greenwald, means money. Especially for a former “lefty”. It’s a naked grift.

      It’s an easy, successful grift. Look at someone similar like Dave “why I left the left” Rubin. He’s not half as smart nor is he half as talented as Greenwald, and yet even he can pull it off. It does have pitfalls, though. Rubin has been struggling since he and his husband had those two children via surrogacy.

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        I mostly just feel sad watching Dave Rubin talk to people who clearly afford him 0 actual respect.

        The look on his face when he just has to casually pretend that it’s just a “difference of opinion” when people treat him like garbage to his face is hard to stomach.

        He’s getting paid and serving their purposes. He’s actively harming his own community, so I know I shouldn’t afford him much sympathy. Still feels bad to watch though.

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      Many reasons, including deciding that Trans folks are delusional and fake and taking up more than their fair share of attention. But at the core of it I suspect that it’s a desire to stay relevant and make money in the media world, and the easiest way to do that is to buddy up to the far right assholes of the world. Just a guess though.

      Good article on it here:

      https://www.salon.com/2022/08/08/what-happened-to-glenn-greenwald-the-former-trans-ally-now-sides-with-right-wing-transphobia/

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        Anger, fear and rage == $$$

        It’s kinda straight forward. Want to know why someone has made a big change to what you thought were their core values? the answer is probably going to be money.

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      I remember reading True Believer by Eric Hoffer ages ago and for some reason that book comes to mind when I think of people that were seemingly on the left, but somewhere, they took a dark turn and/or they become unwitting (or witting?) agents of outfits like Russia. Let’s see:

      Greenwald, Sinema, Stein, Tulsi Gabbard, Taibbi, RFK jr, Marianne Williamson, Naomi Wolf…

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        Wow, I just realized that each of those people give me the same impression: They all remind me of the various types of Russian trolls one might meet online.

        • You’ve got the “Fox News favorites,” the Democrats who constantly appear on right-wing media to denigrate other Democrats and reassure their viewers that everything Fox says is true.
        • Then there’s the “Pac-Man right-wingers,” the ones who present themselves as so far to the left that they’ve done the Pac-Man thing and looped from the left side of the screen to the right.
        • And finally there’s the “Look at me, I’m crazy” types, the ones who pretend to be absurd caricatures of the left, expressing exaggerated, straw-man versions Democratic positions as if they’re the real thing.

        Most Russian trolls online are designed to convince conservatives in America of various insane “facts” about Democrats, and they use various tactics to do it. The majority of the troll accounts pretend to be American conservatives and spread intentional disinformation and misinformation, but some try to play the role of people on the left, to convince conservatives that the left is insane.

        And every name on your list reminds me of those trolls.

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          The Naomi Wolf thing is just so strange - when someone first mentioned it, I was not even quite willing to believe it. I do wonder if something legit happens to someone’s brain as they get older and complete nonsense sets in. It also might be that a certain type of woman is prone to feeling alienated as they age - meaning: women that were exceptionally attractive when they were younger (like Naomi Wolf) may have a lot to deal with as they age, and find that people may not cater to them as much as they had before and this is a rude awakening, I’m sure…some men may deal with this too, I dunno - thinking Charles in Charge and Kirk Cameron.

          And looking in on this again, it looks like Naomi Klein was getting confused with her “doppelganger” so much that she ended up writing a book about it that only recently came out?

          https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/sep/09/doppelganger-a-trip-into-the-mirror-world-by-naomi-klein-review-a-case-of-mistaken-identity

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        David Rubin and Candace Owens used to be on the left until they realized how lucrative it was being on the right too.

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        Yup. Though Taibbi is even far more tragic, IMHO, as I found his insights and writing style far more interesting than Greenwald ever was.

        Maybe someone got their hooks into Taibbi during all that time he spent in Russia. He always gets salty when anyone suggests this, but…

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    I mean, even if they did, would anyone blame them?

    Russia is literally committing genocide, and I personally defend the right of any country to defend itself.

    (obviously that will attract the whataboutism of US in the middle east, but those people were wrong and our country paid dearly for it)

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    I used to like this guy, but he’s crazy. Where does he stand politically? He’s so far left he’s a right winger as far as I can tell.

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    You know…. I’m usually all for legalization of drugs…

    …. And I don’t know what greenwald is smoking here… but I think maybe I’d be okay with banning that one. It seems to have made him stupid. And not like temporarily.

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    I still listen to Matt Taibbi’s old podcast (that he’s no longer on) but IIRC, they still carry a torch for Greenwald, maybe even had him on in recent years. I definitely heard him on some podcast that seemed overly friendly to him.

    What’s amusing to me is when Taibbi, Greenwald, etc., pretend to be somehow so very principled and above the fray and so on…it is rather amusing to watch.

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      I would lump BJG in that group. It seems like these guys are too smart to not understand how clearly this comes across as either stupidity or grift.

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          Briahna Joy Gray, imagine if Ben Shapiro body swapped with Candace Owens and tried to copy Jimmy Dore. She was Bernie’s press secretary in 2020 but he distanced himself from her and she is currently a Cornel West evangelist.

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          Big Juice Glenn… His early stuff was great. He would break down the different kinds of juices and drinks from all around the world. Talk about the taste, where they originated from (you’d be surprised at the history of some of these drinks), who they are marketed to, and so on. Sound dull but can be quite fascinating.

          But lately BJG has started going down the crazy rabbit hole. His last few podcasts have been talking about how the chemicals in the modern day drinks and juices can effect your thinking and how some people have the technology (Bill Gates and company) to then manipulate your thought patterns because of these “chemicals”. I don’t know what happened to him. Maybe he got hit on the head or something? But it’s not the same any more. Kinda sad.

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    I hate both of them with the burning passion of a thousand suns, FOX NEWS and that Nazi Laura Ingram cunt can get fucked too, it’s a quadrangle of useless garbage

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    Having read a bit about Greenwald, it seems he was always a bit of a contrarian, kind of “both sides are equally bad” sort of mindset. But since his partner passed away, hes gone right down the rabbit hole.

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    It’s so weird to see how far we’ve fallen in this country. Whether good or bad, we used to proudly stand with nations fighting for their right to independence and democracy. We used to be proud fighters of freedom. Now the party that’s all about freedoms and war, want to hide like the cowards they really are. I guess it just hits different when it’s your Nazi buddies trying to invade a country…