I don’t know what the numbers are like for the Lebanon part of the war, obviously, but in almost all modern conflicts we see that between 25 and 80% of casualties are civilians.
Bruh, in Iraq and Afghanistan, where Coalition forces were (rightly) condemned for using insufficiently discriminate force, our civilian casualty rate ranged from 15%-30%, with the higher proportion present in Iraq during the initial stages of the ‘shock and awe’ invasion.
Gonna go ahead and say if Israel is getting significantly worse numbers than in Fallujah, with the US in Fallujah having 2004-era tech and intel in a region that we were not well-established in, and Israel having 20 years of development in computerization of the military and a long-standing intelligence presence in the area, something is seriously fucked.
I imagine we’re on the high end here as hezbollah like to fight and hide amongst civilians and use them as shields.
Firing from a populated residential area in order to use civilians as a shield is commonly accepted as a war crime.
Likewise, indiscriminately shelling the residential area in response is also commonly accepted as a war crime.
I struggle to see how you can combat such an organization without heavy civilian casualties, no matter how you go about it. I’m not saying the Israelis are not making mistakes or even being disproportionate at times, but I just can’t see how you’re going to fight hezbollah without heavy collateral damage.
Like I said - I’m not unsympathetic to the fact that collateral damage IS going to happen. But Israel’s actions have been anything but proportionate.
You do know that Hamas has been firing missiles indiscriminately since February 2002. How many other countries are expected to just put up with being attacked on a near daily basis for two decades?
I am well aware that Hamas, the faction supported by Israel to undercut Fatah so Israel wouldn’t have to take a two-state solution seriously, are a bunch of shitheads.
It’s also worth recognizing that the creation of the PA in the West Bank is a classic Counter Insurgency tactic. Used by Israel to quell resistance in the West Bank while they continued to expand seller colonies to divide the West Bank
Bruh, in Iraq and Afghanistan, where Coalition forces were (rightly) condemned for using insufficiently discriminate force, our civilian casualty rate ranged from 15%-30%, with the higher proportion present in Iraq during the initial stages of the ‘shock and awe’ invasion.
Gonna go ahead and say if Israel is getting significantly worse numbers than in Fallujah, with the US in Fallujah having 2004-era tech and intel in a region that we were not well-established in, and Israel having 20 years of development in computerization of the military and a long-standing intelligence presence in the area, something is seriously fucked.
Firing from a populated residential area in order to use civilians as a shield is commonly accepted as a war crime.
Likewise, indiscriminately shelling the residential area in response is also commonly accepted as a war crime.
Like I said - I’m not unsympathetic to the fact that collateral damage IS going to happen. But Israel’s actions have been anything but proportionate.
You do know that Hamas has been firing missiles indiscriminately since February 2002. How many other countries are expected to just put up with being attacked on a near daily basis for two decades?
I am well aware that Hamas, the faction supported by Israel to undercut Fatah so Israel wouldn’t have to take a two-state solution seriously, are a bunch of shitheads.
It’s also worth recognizing that the creation of the PA in the West Bank is a classic Counter Insurgency tactic. Used by Israel to quell resistance in the West Bank while they continued to expand seller colonies to divide the West Bank
That’s the direct result of Israel colonizing palestine. Do you know that the blockade predate Hamas creation?
I’m sure Israel eagerly awaits Hezbollah’s summons to the Hague.
I’m the meantime, if you fire a rocket at another country, it’s going to get blown up no matter where it is.
You know this goes two ways, right? Right?!?