Ok so you do accept that history can provide legitimate motives for an event?
Ukraine did not invade Russia
Cmon you’re almost there, one nations invasion isn’t the only thing that could justify another nations invasion. Other acts of violence across the border of another nation could be legitimate grounds for an invasion too.
And to the second part, so to your logic, every country that is weaker than a neighbour should just let them in taking all the land?!
Again, I literally did not say that, that’s your logic not mine. I don’t believe in nations full stop. It’s a very dumb concept that seeks to divide and control. I believe all nations should be dissolved and we should all live in stateless queer communist paradise.
But…
How I think the world should be is irrelevant. What I believe other countries should and shouldn’t do is irrelevant. This is idealism. Idealism is nonsense.
The only thing that matters is the material reality of a situation. The material reality is nations exist. Nations use violence to further their interests. Some nations are stronger than others. Some nations band together in defensive pacts to prevent aggression from larger neighbours. Some strong nations band together in pacts to assert their will and control over weaker nations and dole out violence with impunity. Whether anyone should or shouldn’t do these things is neither here nor there, the simple fact of the matter is that they do engage in these actions, therefore what matters is how you react to the current situation. And the material reality of the Ukraine war, as it is right now, is that Ukraine will lose and Russia will win. So what is your desired course of action given the existing material reality?
Second, as long as you stay within your boards at being a dick, I can accept it and think that it no justification for invasion.
It is not my logic either ✌🏻 I just wanted to be sure that I understood correctly. Turns out, seems like not.
As last point, I think supporting Ukraine is a good thing, since I don’t want the signal present that you can just invade your little neighbour without worldwide consequences. No matter the outcome.
I would wish same would happen to Isreal, which is invading 3(?) countries right now…
A invasion in answer of a recent invasion to reclaim the land back is nit making you the bad guy.
Ukraine did not invade Russia.
And to the second part, so to your logic, every country that is weaker than a neighbour should just let them in taking all the land?!
Ok so you do accept that history can provide legitimate motives for an event?
Cmon you’re almost there, one nations invasion isn’t the only thing that could justify another nations invasion. Other acts of violence across the border of another nation could be legitimate grounds for an invasion too.
Again, I literally did not say that, that’s your logic not mine. I don’t believe in nations full stop. It’s a very dumb concept that seeks to divide and control. I believe all nations should be dissolved and we should all live in stateless queer communist paradise.
But…
How I think the world should be is irrelevant. What I believe other countries should and shouldn’t do is irrelevant. This is idealism. Idealism is nonsense.
The only thing that matters is the material reality of a situation. The material reality is nations exist. Nations use violence to further their interests. Some nations are stronger than others. Some nations band together in defensive pacts to prevent aggression from larger neighbours. Some strong nations band together in pacts to assert their will and control over weaker nations and dole out violence with impunity. Whether anyone should or shouldn’t do these things is neither here nor there, the simple fact of the matter is that they do engage in these actions, therefore what matters is how you react to the current situation. And the material reality of the Ukraine war, as it is right now, is that Ukraine will lose and Russia will win. So what is your desired course of action given the existing material reality?
First, yes
Second, as long as you stay within your boards at being a dick, I can accept it and think that it no justification for invasion.
It is not my logic either ✌🏻 I just wanted to be sure that I understood correctly. Turns out, seems like not.
As last point, I think supporting Ukraine is a good thing, since I don’t want the signal present that you can just invade your little neighbour without worldwide consequences. No matter the outcome.
I would wish same would happen to Isreal, which is invading 3(?) countries right now…