• shadowfax13@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    arrow-down
    11
    ·
    2 months ago

    ah yes great. we get to select plain or polite genocide. as vile as trump is nuking gaza seems like a mercy compared to the slow death from hunger or burning them alive which is being done with biden blessing and not a single statement from harris to even acknowledge this genocide.

    • can@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      2 months ago

      Yes, it’s awful you only get two choices and neither will do enough about palenstine. But what about the other issues? Reproductive and LGTBQ rights? Surely Harris would be better on that front?

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        2 months ago

        These people don’t actually care about rights. They have found a single issue to throw all of their weight behind and are blind to everything that doesn’t support their position 100%.

        I guarantee you there are large numbers of Palestinians who would not pass their ‘care about genocide’ purity test based solely on things like thinking that Harris will result in less death than Trump.

        • shadowfax13@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          2 months ago

          this not a single issue. dnc has become as evil as trump. They don’t care about pregnant women getting shot by snipers and bombed in hospitals and you think they give a rat ass about women’s rights.

          lgbt, abortition are issues in 21st century because of their complicity. a vote for kamal is endorsing gencoide and continue this spiral of decline.

          have you seen the footage of what’s happening in gaza ? how offensive to suggest that they should vote for a candidate who is already been burning their family alive for a year. rot in hell with that mentality.

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            2 months ago

            Thanks for proving my point.

            You don’t give a shit about queer people’s rights or about brown people getting deported by the millions.

            Claiming democrats are just as bad as Trump on these issues is a disgusting lie at the expense of queer people.

            No Democrat would do any of this. Harris certainly wouldn’t:

            https://www.hrc.org/news/the-list-of-trumps-unprecedented-steps-for-the-lgbtq-community

            Project 2025 would make that exponentially worse. It would be another genocide. Plus the genocide he’s made clear he’s going to do with brown people by deporting as many as he possibly can, which would literally require concentration camps.

            You care about one single issue and you don’t even care if Palestinians agree with you on your ideas.

              • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                2 months ago

                cool go vote for her.

                I will. I don’t want my daughter or any other people forcibly marched into conversion camps.

                That won’t happen under a Harris administration. Trump’s people are sure implying it will under his.

                Why does that not make a difference to you?

                • shadowfax13@lemmy.ml
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  2 months ago

                  same way ruthless genocide with our tax dollars and support doesn’t make a difference to you. does the housing and cost of living crisis under biden bothers you ?

                  and honestly trump stupid claims are unlikely to be reality just like the wall. dnc amplifies all that because they have nothing else to campaign for. biden didn’t do anything about roe vs wade so he can his reelection campaign on it.

                  by voting for harris you are only postponing what trump will actually do by a few years or may be even worse. for americas future both gop and dnc needs to destroyed and every lobbyist jailed.

                  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    2 months ago

                    “He probably won’t put your daughter in a camp” is not the good argument you think it is. I’m guessing you don’t have kids. But if you do, I hope for their sake none of them are queer.

            • jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              2 months ago

              You don’t give a shit about queer people’s rights or about brown people getting deported by the millions.

              says who? first off there are far more levers one can pull to support lgbt rights in your home state that are far more effectual than national policies. go focus on those and the presidents support of those issues is not required for their safety.

              as for the deportations, you know what those are not? death sentences. it sucks but the majority of those people will be just fine. they have time.

              you know who doesn’t have time? gaza.

              its okay to admit you’re willing to support a genocide, it makes you a shitty person but its okay. we’ll wait for your to get over the cognitive dissonance.

              as for project 2025: vote down ballot would be an effective counter to that little issue.

              No one cares if you vote for kamala, there are very good reasons to vote for her if you’re in a swing state or a red state. We do care that you’re letting a genocide happen and bitching about the people trying to stop it.

              now your turn: What have you done to help to help stop a genocide? called your reps lately? emailed kamala? or are you just an armchair pontificating? have you even once threatened them with withholding your vote? you know its okay to do so. they won’t know you voted for them in the end. have you responded to any polls saying you wont vote for kamala?

              • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                edit-2
                2 months ago

                Says me since you’re ignoring the fact that I’m talking about conversion camps for queer people and you are ignoring it and focusing on the deportations. Conversion camps are something the people behind Project 2025 want. And the only way to stop them is to stop them from doing it is to keep Trump out of office.

                “Your daughter probably won’t be put in a concentration camp despite what they’re saying because Trump doesn’t keep all of his promises” is the opposite of reassuring, which is why I’m making sure I’m using my dual citizenship to get her the fuck out of here if she wins.

                now your turn: What have you done to help to help stop a genocide? called your reps lately? emailed kamala? or are you just an armchair pontificating? have you even once threatened them with withholding your vote? you know its okay to do so. they won’t know you voted for them in the end. have you responded to any polls saying you wont vote for kamala?

                My turn? You never said what you’ve done.

                I have spent the entire time this genocide has been going on working with Jewish Voice for Peace to try to stop it.

                Seems like what you’ve done is whine on internet forums.

                Edit: I’ll take it from the crickets that what it seems like is also what is true.

                • jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  2 months ago

                  lolol. I dont live on here bud. I’ve been emailing my critters all year over this. including harris’ campaign. I’ve been canvasing for ranked choice voting in my state and looks like we’ll get it in my city soon. I’ve been doing my part to make the democrats electable. I’m very active in my local lgbt+ community, myself and my friends live this shit every day.

                  If harris gets elected good for her. I simply won’t support someone actively engaging in genocide just like i pushed for biden to go when all you twits where saying its ‘too late’ ‘we cant switch now’ clearly we could. its too bad harris didn’t get the hint, but thats not my fault; its her inability to change course on a fucking genocide. if zionists have a problem with this well fuck them too and I’d still do what i’m doing for them if the situation was reversed.

                  What you’re telling me right now is if harris tomorrow says ‘israel will no longer be allowed to receive weapons support while actively committing a genocide’ you wouldn’t vote for her. you are not worth my time. someday you might figure out by capitulating to the lesser evil only allows these sorts of things to occur. and that you have the ability to stop them.

                  Am I going to be insulated from trump if he gets elected? you’re fucking right I am. because in my state we’ve been putting in the fucking effort to build those safety nets. Everyone else If you’re not in a safe state do what you need to do get that level of community safety; including voting for harris, thats perfectly acceptable. but if you’re in a safe state and you’re not raising hell over gaza think long and hard about who you really are as a person, because clearly you’re willing to sell other peoples lives for your own personal comfort. But either way get your ass to the booth and vote for whomever you think best represents your interests.

                  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    ·
                    2 months ago

                    No, I’m not telling you that because I’ve already voted.

                    I do like how you didn’t even acknowledge the work I do with JVP. I wonder if it’s because of the first word in their name?

      • shadowfax13@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        2 months ago

        i get that for you it’s not vile enough to not participate in this farce but i can’t vote for genocide of innocents who have already suffered decades of apartheid. for me a red line has been reached.

        maybe in next election we will have marjorie vs some another dnc lobby shill where the choice will be just bring back slavery in general or just slavery of colored people. will that be red line for you or will be still saying that it’s awful but dnc is better and it’s the only viable choice ?

        • can@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          2 months ago

          I’m Canadian so I don’t get a vote. But even in a broken system I would still vote for the lesser. How are things ever going to get better if apathy allows republicans in each time?

          You don’t need to be silent but of the two options who is more likely to be swayed? No matter what it’s going to be one of the two in power.

          • shadowfax13@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            2 months ago

            voting for lesser evil works worked for biden. now dnc is evil as republicans, they just lie about it.

            my next vote will be only for a candidate who is willing to jail aipac, citizen united and other lobbyists.

    • nomous@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      2 months ago

      Now you’re fuckin gettin it! So which one, plain or polite? Those are the only options, it’s happening regardless so which are you picking?