• finitebanjo@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    31
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    17 days ago

    Former President Viktor Yanukovych actually denied democracy by choosing not to sign a trade agreement with the EU, which was overwhelmingly approved of in parliament and by the public, in 2013 and he was ousted by Ukrainians. The Russians then became involved by fueling counterprotests and annexing Crimea.

    AFAIK there were no US sponsored groups, no boots on the ground, but vaguely some 5Bn USD given to Ukraine for defence between 1991 and 2014.

    • humanspiral@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      20
      ·
      17 days ago

      First there was an EU agreement. But then IMF added conditions to make the agreement impossible. That is what caused it/whole to be rejected. Nazis committing a black flag execution of protesters blaming it on government was the coup that caused Yanukovych to flee. The US installed coup rulers imposing apartheid against Russian speakers, and the Odessa massacre is what caused Crimea to leave, and Donbas to demand autonomy.

      • aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        17 days ago

        Odessa massacre? I’m a pinko sympathizer and try to hear out so called “tankies” because they often have a point. but it is just ahistorical to call it a massacre. There is video footage of the pro maidan protesters bringing construction scaffolding to the building to help people escape.

          • aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            16 days ago

            No, in general i take a dim view of supremacist/essentialist ideology. However I’ve seen entire servers on Lemmy described as tankie, but haven’t run into anyone on here getting called a white supremacist. I imagine mods take care of those pretty quick.

        • humanspiral@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          5
          ·
          16 days ago

          What the living NAFO fuckery is this bs???

          That there were survivors means it wasn’t a massacre?

          Maidan was a CIA/NGO inspired liberal movement that “just wanted additional trade with EU” as an innocent premise, but with usual CIA/NAZI motives. After CIA/Nazis executed protesters and blamed government, and the US coup that handpicked nazi rulers for Ukraine, Maidan was never heard from again. It sure is not a “pinko” source that claims some rescue attempts with scaffolding existed, but most deaths were the result of nazis shooting those trying to get out of windows. So blatantly absurd to deny the massacre based on an undocumented fiction that some assistance attempts were made. Was there no ww2 holocaust if a german helped a jew escape?

          https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2014-008919_EN.html

          https://mronline.org/2024/05/06/10-years-of-injustice/