I wouldn’t say it’s the main selling point. Because if it is, there is no selling point.
The fediverse is a series of social networks. Social networks rely on being SOCIAL. So in order to have a healthy social network you need a large number of people. The more people, the better the platform. It’s that easy.
The current audience for Lemmy/Fediverse is a niche group. This group highly prefers linux. It cares (and knows about) federation. It cares about adblocking. It highly prefers political discussions. It cares about privacy.
As for the majority of the country? They don’t give a shit. About any of that. At all.
Linux is a platform that if you based user numbers on features, it SHOULD be the number one operating system. It’s not. It’s not even close. I’ll put it this way. The Dallas Cowboys play in a stadium that can fill 100,000 people. If you filled a sellout crowd for an event, the ticketing ushers would outnumber the linux users in that building.
And the reason for this, is the average American does not give one shit if something has enshitification. Or even notice enshitification. That’s the reason products keep shrinkings, ads keep appearing. If people stopped using the products, they would stop doing that. It’s only profitable because people don’t care.
So if the major selling point is “we don’t have corporate enshitification”, and the majority of people don’t even know what that means, then it’s not a selling point is it?
The current audience for Lemmy/Fediverse is a niche group. This group highly prefers linux. It cares (and knows about) federation. It cares about adblocking. It highly prefers political discussions. It cares about privacy.
But it’s not, actually. The instances you choose tend to federate with similar instances while the instances for the people who are not like that, are just not shown to us as a group. And I’m perfectly fine with that. Does it make Lemmy a bubble to some degree…sure. And are the vast majority of instances exactly as you describe…yes, I’m not denying that.
But outside of our circle of instances, there are hundreds of little instances that are just for themselves; their family groups, their workplaces, their DnD Campaign, etc… We don’t see them because we aren’t federated with them, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Lemmy is more than just where we sit, typing away at each other. Lemmy is the technology itself, and it’s used in far more places than just our little bubble of politically minded privacy respecting tech nerds.
Edited: Heck, I’d be willing to be you that somewhere out there right now, there is a dark-universe Lemmy made up of all the Nazi, right-wing instances that federate with each other, and we would just never see them in our feeds because that’s the beautiful thing about federation/defederation.
I’m going to disagree. Lemmy as a whole is 60k people as of 3 months ago. There’s probably little tiny packets of closed instances of a small group of friends, but there aren’t enough of those closed groups to even register on a count. Meaning there’s probably less than 100 people, collectively, in those small instances.
And how is that anything that disproves the “niche” title? 8 Billion people on earth, 100 people or less fit into the catagory you describe. Hell, even all of Lemmy at 60k still would be classified as niche.
As for the nazi instances, I don’t see that. And I don’t mean I’m not federated with them. I mean, they don’t exist. Those types of people like to make noise. They like the idea of being offensive. They go where the people are. I’d say bluesky is too small for them, much less lemmy.
10 years ago twitter was considered left wing leaning. It’s also where the people were.
Now, we have a new twitter owner, and it’s a nazi hangout. It was attractive to nazis, because nazis could be seen there.
They can’t be seen on public lemmy instances, because this place is a ghost town, and losing users by the month.
Whereas twitter is NOW losing users, but at their peak it was like 700 million users. Now it’s at 250 million as of a few months ago.
So one post on twitter by a nazi will still be seen by more left leaning people who haven’t left yet, than 20 messages on lemmy. Even if they somehow DON’T get moderated.
I wouldn’t say it’s the main selling point. Because if it is, there is no selling point.
The fediverse is a series of social networks. Social networks rely on being SOCIAL. So in order to have a healthy social network you need a large number of people. The more people, the better the platform. It’s that easy.
The current audience for Lemmy/Fediverse is a niche group. This group highly prefers linux. It cares (and knows about) federation. It cares about adblocking. It highly prefers political discussions. It cares about privacy.
As for the majority of the country? They don’t give a shit. About any of that. At all.
Linux is a platform that if you based user numbers on features, it SHOULD be the number one operating system. It’s not. It’s not even close. I’ll put it this way. The Dallas Cowboys play in a stadium that can fill 100,000 people. If you filled a sellout crowd for an event, the ticketing ushers would outnumber the linux users in that building.
And the reason for this, is the average American does not give one shit if something has enshitification. Or even notice enshitification. That’s the reason products keep shrinkings, ads keep appearing. If people stopped using the products, they would stop doing that. It’s only profitable because people don’t care.
So if the major selling point is “we don’t have corporate enshitification”, and the majority of people don’t even know what that means, then it’s not a selling point is it?
A niche group who is here because capital destroyed other platforms we loved.
I don’t think my statement is untrue but I also don’t think it will remain true for much longer for exactly the reasons you put forward.
edit: @LEVI@feddit.org
But it’s not, actually. The instances you choose tend to federate with similar instances while the instances for the people who are not like that, are just not shown to us as a group. And I’m perfectly fine with that. Does it make Lemmy a bubble to some degree…sure. And are the vast majority of instances exactly as you describe…yes, I’m not denying that.
But outside of our circle of instances, there are hundreds of little instances that are just for themselves; their family groups, their workplaces, their DnD Campaign, etc… We don’t see them because we aren’t federated with them, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Lemmy is more than just where we sit, typing away at each other. Lemmy is the technology itself, and it’s used in far more places than just our little bubble of politically minded privacy respecting tech nerds.
Edited: Heck, I’d be willing to be you that somewhere out there right now, there is a dark-universe Lemmy made up of all the Nazi, right-wing instances that federate with each other, and we would just never see them in our feeds because that’s the beautiful thing about federation/defederation.
I’m going to disagree. Lemmy as a whole is 60k people as of 3 months ago. There’s probably little tiny packets of closed instances of a small group of friends, but there aren’t enough of those closed groups to even register on a count. Meaning there’s probably less than 100 people, collectively, in those small instances.
And how is that anything that disproves the “niche” title? 8 Billion people on earth, 100 people or less fit into the catagory you describe. Hell, even all of Lemmy at 60k still would be classified as niche.
As for the nazi instances, I don’t see that. And I don’t mean I’m not federated with them. I mean, they don’t exist. Those types of people like to make noise. They like the idea of being offensive. They go where the people are. I’d say bluesky is too small for them, much less lemmy.
10 years ago twitter was considered left wing leaning. It’s also where the people were.
Now, we have a new twitter owner, and it’s a nazi hangout. It was attractive to nazis, because nazis could be seen there.
They can’t be seen on public lemmy instances, because this place is a ghost town, and losing users by the month.
Whereas twitter is NOW losing users, but at their peak it was like 700 million users. Now it’s at 250 million as of a few months ago.
So one post on twitter by a nazi will still be seen by more left leaning people who haven’t left yet, than 20 messages on lemmy. Even if they somehow DON’T get moderated.
Hard disagree, quality matters as much or perhaps more than quantity. A billion Nazi network is still Nazi, see Xitter for instance.