• Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
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    2 days ago

    Do you have any idea about the history of “caricature strangers to look like monkeys”?

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        Caricaturing people of other ethnicities look like monkeys to degrade them has a looong, racist tradition. About 100 years ago, russians were considered a backwards, horde of uncivilized asian/mongols in Europe.

        I simply see these kinds of caricatures as racist. And I’m not alone in this.

        It’s about as cool as depicting him as a kraken (antisemitic), or as a drag queen, to “own” him.

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          People, not person. That’s the obvious difference you seem to be consequently ignoring here to try to incite discussion.

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            So caricaturing Obama as a monkey wouldn’t be racist, then?

            He would even “deserve” it, being a war criminal and all that.

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              <sigh> black people as a race are historically insulted by depicting them as primates and of course that would weigh much more than this case of a single Caucasian man. Hence racism as opposed to insult.

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                Yeah, all of a sudden, russians are “caucasian”. It’s very convenient to hide racism behind “that’s not a race, though”. /s

                People used to be racist against italians, baltic people and the irish. Don’t tell me that a russian person is ok, because they’re “white”.

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                  Come on, how is a caricature of one man, the instigator of a war on a neighboring country considered racism? I’ve seen Donald Trump depicted as a Donkey or a Pig so many times, is that okay then? Or is that racism towards all Americans? Did you consider you are seeing things that are not really there and that you might be part of a small group of people that are too sensitive towards these caricatures?

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                    24 hours ago

                    As I’ve said before: monkey caricatures have historical precedent. It’s about as bad as depicting him like a kraken/squid.

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          About 100 years ago, russians were considered a backwards, horde of uncivilized asian/mongols in Europe.

          About 100 years ago Europe had just faced Russian raping and pillaging in a world War, and they’d soon face it again in the next war. For all intents and purposes, they were a backward horde of uncivilized fucks.

          But hey, they are sure proving they’re different nowadays, with them raping their way through another war.

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            Yeah, it was the savage barbarism of the backwater russian nature that made the rusrian soldiers pillageeand rape our white women. No other nation’s army did anything of the sort. Let’s remember that the russians where the canonical bad guys of world war 1, 2 and 3. /s

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              Unless you’re from a country that’s suffered a Russian occupation during one of the wars, you don’t get to claim knowledge on the subject. And if you had been, you’d know what you wrote is literally true, no shadow of sarcasm about it.

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                  Man, you’ve been baiting this entire thread to drop that line. Get over yourself.

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                    Now I’m not allowed to correct some bullshit someracist claims about me?

                    In case you forgot: I’m arguing against demonizing the people of Russia.

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                  Oh nice, must’ve been one of the ones that got away. Most other Russian empire victims are dead, their wives and daughters raped, their homes looted and burned, and USSR engraved into the collective mindset as a destructive evil force.

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                    Yeah, sure. Tell a person from Germany that the USSR were the bad guys. What’s the worst thing that could happen? /s

                    Seriously, you’re literally the kind of racist, I was warning about.

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            Apparently, I’m a russian asset for pointing this out.

            Because racism is good if it targets the right people. /s