• db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    51·
    1 year ago

    Argh, why make 2 communities? >_< Pick one damnit :D

    I’m going to the blahaj one

    Anyway well done for recognizing the ship is rapidly disintegrating.

      • Scanzy@lemmy.world
        232·
        1 year ago

        It’s kind of a massive part of Lemmys design, so I would disagree.

        We’re going to end up with duplicate instances all over the place. That’s just the reality of things. Some of them will become the more popular versions and others will be abandoned, but there’s little point to complaining about it.

        • vinnythegooch9@lemmy.world
          10·
          1 year ago

          Yeah I understand that duplicates will pop up from different people, just found it weird that they would create 2 separate ones themselves. It’s hard to find which one to join when both are similar levels of active and I don’t love the idea of having to subscribe to both and go to both if I want to see what’s being posted. I assumed it was unfamiliarity with how the instances worked but didn’t think about seeing if kbin or lemmy would end up being more popular, that does makes sense.

          • Openmindedskeptic@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            7·
            1 year ago

            What’s wrong with subscribing to both? Then you’d have both in your feed; you wouldn’t have to go anywhere.

            But yeah we also wanted to make sure to get the name in a couple of places. Didn’t expect our resignation letters & whatnot to go a bit more public and get influxes of users and all.

            • Jaarsh119@lemmy.world
              3·
              1 year ago

              I’m assuming seeing duplicate posts from the two all the time would be the reason why you wouldn’t sub to both. Unless there’s like some extensions or something that stop that kinda thing? I’m fairly new to this kind of thing so educate me if I’m wrong

              • Openmindedskeptic@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                2·
                1 year ago

                They aren’t connected except that the same mods run them. We don’t, or haven’t so far, posted duplicate posts. So that shouldn’t be an issue.

                And then we’re also paying attention and when it seems appropriate, we will likely close down one and redirect traffic to the one we keep up.

      • RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
        5·
        1 year ago

        it’s counterintuitive to the whole point of Lemmy lol

        Actually no, it is not. Having multiple smaller communities works to the benefit of users in the Fediverse. One server might be down, and people in those communities can find another community on a different instance to continue discussion until the community of their instance choice comes back up.

        • Klaboesterbeer@feddit.nl
          2·
          1 year ago

          By that logic it makes more sense to have one community mirrored over multiple instances. If one instance goes down the others just take over. No hassle for the users.

          • RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
            3·
            1 year ago

            I do think it would be beneficial if there was a way to have “super communities” or “sub-federation,” where communities with similar topics can opt in to the feature. Thus if a person subscribes to one of the communities with that feature, other communities with similar topics will appear in that thread.

            Ultimately, this would retain decentralization while increasing community discovery, which is a benefit to end-users.

            • Openmindedskeptic@lemmy.blahaj.zone
              1·
              1 year ago

              Yeah people have thrown around the idea of eventually doing something like that. So like you’d subscribe to “AccidentalRenaissance” and get all communities with that name as one feed or whatever.

              Hope that happens.

    • Pamasich@kbin.social
      8·
      1 year ago

      I got a response from them on Reddit:

      We didn’t know which platform would take off, and we were nervous that because Kbin and Lemmy are so similar one platform might shut down in some sort of consolidation down the road. Also when we made them, each had very serious drawbacks for our media (Lemmy needs a lot of clicking to access the media, while kbin turned any media that wasn’t in a 3:4 aspect ratio into a funhouse mirror.) So each of us took a community and somewhere down the line we’ll re-evaluate.

      • Scanzy@lemmy.world
        0·
        1 year ago

        That makes a lot of sense.

        I was tempted to go with kbin when I switched, because it just looks cleaner and better designed. I’m not sure why kbin isn’t more popular, but I’m sticking with the pack right now on lemmy.

        • Meldrik@lemmy.wtf
          1·
          1 year ago

          I like how Lemmy looks simpler and more lightweight. Also Kbin is trying to do 2 things instead of focusing on one thing and I don’t think that’s a good idea.

    • TeaHands@lemmy.world
      2·
      1 year ago

      Given that one of those resignations talks about Beehaw like it’s a separate platform entirely, I think it’s just some good old fashioned misunderstanding. Looks like they’ve set up separate user accounts on Lemmy and Kbin too.

    • sunaurus@lemm.ee
      2·
      1 year ago

      Yeah, kind of a strange choice to split like that. Are they intending to start crossposting to both communities?

      • livus@kbin.social
        3·
        1 year ago

        Maybe they didn’t realize lemmy and kbin can all visit the same community?

        I subscribed yesterday. Will have to check which one it is!

          • Arcane_Trixster@lemm.ee
            4·
            1 year ago

            There’s a quote from them further up someone posted. They just weren’t 100% sold on any site because they said neither quite fit what they wanted. So they started up two to see how they develop and which they prefer down the line.

            • Cosmic Cleric@lemmy.world
              2·
              1 year ago

              I understand their feelings about that, but that seems like a dumb idea in the long one.

              They’re dividing up their user base, and they’re going to have different conversations on each of those two servers that they’ll have to hop back and forth on if they want to get the whole experience.

      • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        2·
        1 year ago

        It’s not going to be twice the content though. It’s either going to be split between the two, or, most likely, just seeing double-posts as one is crossposted to the other

      • sunaurus@lemm.ee
        1·
        1 year ago

        The problem is that if you have two communities with exactly the same purpose, then that will encourage people to duplicate posts to both. This splits up discussions into two separate comment threads. Also, merging these communities at the client end will cause you to see any duplicated posts twice 😅

        • I_Miss_Daniel@kbin.social
          1·
          1 year ago

          True. But if the client can see the duplicate and merge the post plus the comments from both posts into one on the user’s device, it would be transparent to the user. We’re just not there yet.

          I think the same would also be useful where the same article (post) is made on multiple subs (communities / magazines) within a certain time window. It’s annoying seeing the same post multiple times in /all.

          • CoderKat@lemm.ee
            1·
            1 year ago

            Yeah, I really hate the fragmentation because of that. Reddit admittedly had this problem too, but it didn’t feel like the same degree.

            I think it also is a barrier to growing a community because it can sometimes take some time for it to be clear which community is the biggest one. To avoid duplication, I usually only join the biggest community of each “type” and it’s not always obvious which one that is.

    • CashewNut 🏴󠁢󠁥󠁧󠁿@lemmy.world
      0·
      1 year ago

      I just checked out KBin for the first time. Yes there’s a lot of duplicated communities on there but the site itself has quite a nice UI. Like a more updated version of Lemmy keeping the simpl9icity but not going balls-to-the-wall modern like Reddit.

      I’ve signed up and think I’ll be using both. I don’t see a problem with this. Sometimes I get a bit bored of Lemmy’s stories not updating so I’ll switch to KBin and see what’s going on.

      It’s no different than when I used to get bored of Reddit and would check out BBC News or YouTube for stuff.

      I like choice.

      • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        3·
        1 year ago

        Nobody said anything about choice. But you can use your kbin account to read lemmy communities through kbin, and you can use lemmy account to read kbin communities through lemmy. There’s just no reason to have 2 communities.

  • OwenEverbinde@reddthat.com
    18·
    1 year ago

    For everyone who told us that they’d never taken a single art class and they could mod this place better with their eyes closed… Well, consider this a golden opportunity! It’s going to be tricky doing it with your eyes closed ever since Reddit’s painfully botched rollout of “disability friendly” mod tools in their disasterpiece of a mobile app has caused nothing but crashes and bugs, but you seemed so confident in the many (many, many, many) times you’ve expressed this opinion that we can only assume you know something about modding that we don’t!

    Is such a fun line.

        • OwenEverbinde@reddthat.com
          7·
          1 year ago

          Oh my god that was annoying! But yes. Now, I am okay.

          Firefox wasn’t letting me comment, reply to comments, or edit my comments. I even dragged my home instance’s moderator into helping me debug which I feel terrible about. (Especially because I originally described it as a federation error, only later realizing that the glitch was happening on reddthat as well as federated instances.)

          After various debugging attempts, he told me to deactivate my extensions… which I hadn’t tried for some reason… and it worked instantly. My Bionic Reader Firefox extension in particular turned out being the source of the problem. And now I feel like I’ve wasted my mod’s time trying to debug something that he had no control over, but other than that? I’m okay.

          Thanks for asking.

      • VoltasPistol@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        4·
        1 year ago

        Actually, we did have a small contingent of visually impaired people who enjoyed the subreddit, even if they had to zoom way in to see the details. Most people who are legally blind still have some vision and they still love pleasing arrangements of pixels.

        That’s why we’re trying to make the Lemmy and kbin instances more accessible by adding image transcriptions where possible, a paragraph description explaining the details in the photo so mostly-blind people can enjoy them more.

        Also, like, half the mod team is some flavor of disabled, and us cripples gotta stick together.

  • VoltasPistol@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    11·
    1 year ago

    Oh damn, that’s us!!

    We’d wondered where the nearly 1.9k subscribers came from completely out of nowhere!

    So, yeah, a lot of people are hating on us for creating one of Kbin and one on Lemmy, but we had our reasons: Basically, neither handled images very well and we saw that these two services did basically the same thing and that typically leads to the weaker project getting cancelled down the line, so we decided our safest bet was just to make one of each, just in case it all ended in bad blood, de-federation, and a total loss of data. Better safe than sorry.

    We might consolidate them later, but for now just pick whichever you like best. :)

    • Revan343@lemmy.ca
      2·
      1 year ago

      Just want to say, “it’s been swell, but the swelling’s gone down” is a fantastic turn of phrase that I will be stealing

      • VoltasPistol@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        2·
        1 year ago

        It wasn’t the way images uploaded, it was more that kbin’s image previews absolutely skullfucked the aspect ratio of anything that wasn’t roughly in a 3:4 aspect ratio, making a bunch of deeply touching photos look like goofy funhouse mirrors.

        We were like, “Shit… Is… Is this on purpose? Are the people behind kbin some kind of weirdos who believe in 3:4 aspect ratio supremacy??” so we thought, “Eh… Maybe we’d better make a Lemmy too, in case kbin doesn’t figure their shit out”.

        Because, honestly? Our faith in humanity was at an all-time low and we were running out of time before people began leaving reddit for new platforms. Throw everything against the wall and see what sticks, right?

        • Lee Duna@lemmy.nzOP
          0·
          1 year ago

          It wasn’t the way images uploaded, it was more that kbin’s image previews absolutely skullfucked the aspect ratio of anything that wasn’t roughly in a 3:4 aspect ratio, making a bunch of deeply touching photos look like goofy funhouse mirrors.

          I can only suggest to use mobile app. So far I don’t see any problem with image handling on mobile app. On desktop and mobile browser you might want to use voyager https://vger.app

    • Cosmic Cleric@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 year ago

      Are you going to merge/consolidate the topics/posts from each of the two servers with each other, or just keep two sets of posts/topics, one on each server?

      • VoltasPistol@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        1·
        1 year ago

        We probably wouldn’t delete it, just leave a link at the top explaining we’ve migrated and lock it so it isn’t accepting new posts.

        I wouldn’t want someone who submitted a treasured photo and got a bunch of positive feedback to lose it forever in the name of ruthless efficiency.

            • Bucky@lemmy.world
              1·
              1 year ago

              Well I didn’t make that, I found it. Reddit used to have a bunch of these too. Anyway I saw someone ask the admin of the server to incorporate it and make it available if you went to old.Lemmy.world. He said maybe. @ruud please?

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
    9·
    1 year ago

    This is the sort of action I love to see. Reddit thinks they own the moderators who are working for free. They want slaves. Fuck them.

    • Pumpkinbot@lemmy.world
      8·
      1 year ago

      From the very start, ever subreddit should have challenged Reddit and called their bluff. Go ahead, replace the mods for thousands of subreddits. If a few dozen are changed, that’s no problem. Whatever. But thousands? Good luck.

      The whole protest seemed so half-hearted from the start. You don’t go on strike with a set end-date in mind. You go on strike indefinitely until demands are met or a satisfactory compromise is made.

      • OwenEverbinde@reddthat.com
        4·
        1 year ago

        I will say that the short blackout was enough to get me onto the Fediverse. I didn’t even use the apps that would be affected by the API shutdown, so I never would have noticed the controversy without the blackout.

        But once the blackout was announced, I recognized how far reddit was willing to go in service of harvesting its users’ data. And after that point, I just didn’t feel good on the site anymore. (Granted, I first created an account on Mastodon because the people calling for blackouts never mentioned Lemmy. But still!)

        Between Facebook’s notification system repeatedly failing to direct me to comment replies, Twitter DDoSing itself, and reddit turning into the Eye of Sauron (which, again, I would not have even noticed happening were it not for the short protest), it seemed like the perfect time to exit the sinking ship of corporate social media.

        Meaning they did something. Maybe they didn’t avert the reddit apocalypse, but they still did something.

      • Uphillbothways@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        There was never a chance for compromise. This was about money; a premature, over blown, knee jerk, pie-in-the-sky hope to cash in on free expert input based on decades of good will interactions performed for free by people who cared about their subject matter.

        I deleted every comment I’d ever made and left pretty much immediately. They can eat their own shit.

        • VoltasPistol@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          1·
          1 year ago

          We setup on Blahaj because when we were trying to setup AccidentalRenaissance, we didn’t know we were one letter over the arbitrary 20 letter limit on community names, and there wasn’t even an error message for it, so we were pounding our heads against the wall trying to figure out why we couldn’t setup anywhere on any server.

          And we didn’t make a big fuss about who we were either. We were just looking to setup an instance. Just some randos as far as anyone knew. So we asked for help.

          The admins of Blahaj personally told us what the problem was and when I asked if it was an absolute limit they said it wasn’t, and raised their limit. Just for us. Some random-ass strangers. They changed their server just so someone wouldn’t have to shorten their name.

          So that’s how Blahaj scored AccidentalRenaissance.

          Given how many actual Renaissance artists were legitimately, deeply, obsessively queer? Yeah, it fits.

      • jiji@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        For your reference: for all intents and purposes there isn’t one. Lemmy accounts can interact and follow kbin communities and vice versa. You don’t need accounts on both, though you can if you choose.

        • Khaelas@lemmy.world
          0·
          1 year ago

          But are these actually the same communities?

          Or do they count as separate ones on separate instances which uses created with that instance specific account?

          I think they’re 2 spearate communities? Which does confuse things.

          Although the link worked on Connect for the Lemmy one so that’s what I’ll be using anywau

          • jiji@lemmy.world
            0·
            1 year ago

            You mean for this specific case? Yes, they’re two separate communities which is why it was disadvantageous to create a community on both kbin and Lemmy—if they made just one, that one community could share subscribers and comments and such from all Lemmy instances (that aren’t defederated) as well as kbin. They didn’t need to make separate accidentalrenaissance communities but they did.

            I’m not a fan of the e-mail analogy overall, but here it works. It’s like they created a gmail account and an aol account, thinking only gmail accounts could email each other and only aol accounts could email each other. But really, if they made only a gmail account then both gmail and aol would be able to communicate easily.

            • everythingsucks@lemmy.world
              0·
              1 year ago

              Maybe they went ahead and grabbed both, one will eventually become more popular and the popular one will stay running while they just have the other one directing people to the popular one.

  • Casmael@geddit.social
    2·
    1 year ago

    Welcome to LemmyVille it’s nice here we have

    • dietary advice
    • antique meme
    • screenshot
    • bean

    I love accidental renaissance one of my favourite subs x

  • AssPennies@lemmy.world
    2·
    1 year ago

    That’s pretty daring of them to do, they’re risking their severance package by so publicly making their former employer look so bad. Oh wait…

  • Tygr@lemmy.world
    2·
    1 year ago

    This has been awesome. I’m finding out about communities I’ve never known about but starting with Lemmy to follow. Thanks Reddit for making all of the worst decisions all at once.

    I REALLY like it here the most. After a couple weeks, I’m barely missing it over there (I really miss Apollo, not Reddit, thank you to Voyager for providing a similar experience).

    • Resethel@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 year ago

      Reddit’s and Twitter’s recent move have been the best thing that happened to the Fediverse.

      Hope we’re getting close to the critical mass required for more people to start adopting it !

  • kadu@lemmy.world
    31·
    1 year ago

    Their heart was at the right place… But they didn’t really understand federation huh. Splitting their communities like that is asking for less engagement and more user confusion. Just create it on Lemmy, interact with it using your Kbin user, and then it will federate and you can still provide the Kbin link if you so desire.

  • M_whcddczcdc@lemmy.world
    1·
    1 year ago

    I’m so happy to see this community join us here, especially not being a mega-community with the same icon. We know the one on here.

    I feel the more niche communities migrations will have a bigger impact. That something like politics or whatnot wouldn’t. Like even Fuckcars is here, because Fuck cars.

      • graveyardchickenhunt@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        It’s not literally about hating cars, but about car centric infrastructure being a problem. Which is “fuck car lobbies and the shit they caused in the search of profits go up”

          • PhoenixRising@lemmy.world
            01·
            1 year ago

            I remember them cheering on whoever was stabbing suv tires in the UK a few years ago. They were hoping for it to spread to other countries regardless of the circumstances of the vehicle owner. I don’t know if the community has cleaned up since then.

      • derpysmilingcat@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        I was told it was more about designing the world around not needing them and having walkable cities and/or more public access and use of busses and other public transportation.

        But also I see some people are very …uh… “Cars are evil and should all be destroyed and you should walk everywhere! Stop living in the country go find a city house so you can walk everywhere!”

        It’s hard to tell which one is the main point anymore.

        • TomTheGeek@lemmy.world
          03·
          1 year ago

          Car centric infrastructure benefits those with…cars. And as cars are the primary method of transportation, it make perfect sense to design our cities around this idea.

          Transportation is the lifeblood of communities. Without roads and cars they literally cannot exist. If you remove roads you kill the community.

          Unless you have a new method of transportation that is better than cars, keep your fantasies in your head. You want to walk go right ahead.

          • Necronomicommunist@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 year ago

            It doesn’t benefit those with cars as much as it forces you to get a car to benefit. Cities that don’t focus as much on car centric infrastructure are more pleasant to drive through.

            You’re conflating cars with transportation in general. When I say car infrastructure, I don’t mean close every road off so nobody gets in or out. Nobody does.

            Look at cities where they prioritize the pedestrian and public transport. They’re so much better to live in and get around.

            • TomTheGeek@lemmy.world
              03·
              1 year ago

              Cities that don’t focus as much on car centric infrastructure are more pleasant to drive through.

              You know what makes a pleasant drive? Getting where you want to go quickly, and without stops. And we accomplish that by accepting that cars are always going to exist. We must throw out the ridiculous notion that bikes aren’t pedestrians. They are not worth building out completely separate infrastructure which is the only way they are happy. They refuse to cooperate and share pedestrian infrastructure which is the obvious solution. They are selfish and pretend they are saving the world by making cars drive slower and stop more. One biker can cause more incidental pollution than if they just drove there instead and didn’t slow everyone down.

              • Necronomicommunist@lemmy.world
                1·
                1 year ago

                If you think the biggest obstacle when you’re driving around isn’t other cars you’re delusional. You’re the reason “just one more lane bro” memes exist

                • TomTheGeek@lemmy.world
                  02·
                  1 year ago

                  Not so much cars, but the drivers. This ‘safety first’ methodology that the DOT uses only serves to create bad drivers. Driving is inherently dangerous and we cannot design that out with roadway changes. We need to remove licenses and actually mean it. We need repeated testing for everyone, not just the elderly. If the police did anything but ticket speeders to generate revenue driving might actually get better. It only takes one asshole to ruin the flow of an entire interstate for miles. And they receive no punishment for slowing other people down who are going about lawful business.

                  PS. Induced demand is mostly myth. Building more lanes is how we gain more bandwidth. Even if the speed doesn’t increase the throughput will and that means more people getting where they want to be. That is how you reduce congestion.

                  https://www.cato.org/blog/debunking-induced-demand-myth

                  https://urbanist.co/busting-four-biggest-myths-induced-demand/