arent leaders necessary to organize everyone though? things like traffic for example flow better when they are lead by a central authority commanding the stoplights.
it doesnt even necessarily mean it has to be coercitive, i imagine most people agree with this particular example.
These structures can still exist in an anarchist society. The difference is the way decisions are made.
Hierarchical: top down
Anarchist: bottom up
So the people choose to delegate the task of e.g. making sure the traffic flows properly to a group of people who carry out the will of the collective.
Currently, these people are chosen by heads of states, ministers, or some other level counted from the top.
It’s a form of Communism, hence Anarcho-Communism being the most “popular” form of Anarchism.
Communists typically side more with Marx over Bakunin, and believe in a state as owned and managed by the Proletariat being the best method by which to achieve the end goal of a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society.
Anarcho-Communists tend to side more with Bakunin over Marx, believing such a structure to be dangerous in and of itself, and seek more decentralized revolutionary change.
Anarchists additionally tend to believe Marx’s analysis of Capitalism is good, but disagree on methods of achieving Communism. Anarchists aren’t anti-Marx, but rather tend to be more post-Marxist.
Additionally, there are nuanced differences in Communist structures. In traditional Marxist belief, the Socialist State would build up the infrastructure for Communism before withering away and being maintained by a Communist society, whereas Anarcho-Communists tend to prefer systems of Mutual Aid, which are almost the same but just different strategy.
Well, since I’m an anarcho-communist: It is a communist (as in: a classless, moneyless society based on the principle: to each according to their needs, from each according to their ability) model of how the world would work.
That’s not how Lenin did things, though. Lenin actively took power away from the sovjets and centralized decision making so that the bolsheviks made decisions top-down, not bottom up. Before the bolsheviks sabotaged it, Ukraine actually was organized in a very anarchist manner after the 1918 revolution.
I understand the party wanted to defend itself from foreign interference, something Ukraine was not able to do despite uniting with other eastern-european nations for defense. I see this as the main reason why we need socialist states before organizing the conditions for communism to happen.
How would you see such a large scale defense playing out in an anarchist society? I ask this with political interference, soft power and propaganda also in mind.
Would the USSR have survived for as long as it did if didnt have Ukraine as a “buffer zone” and a more centralized, hierarchical military? Are there anarchist answers to this?
arent leaders necessary to organize everyone though? things like traffic for example flow better when they are lead by a central authority commanding the stoplights.
it doesnt even necessarily mean it has to be coercitive, i imagine most people agree with this particular example.
Useful, but not necessary. There are measures that can reasonably overcome the simpler answer of centralization.
Anarchism isn’t simplicity, it’s deceptively complex.
What are some of these answers?
Participatory Economics, Worker councils, worker self-management, Mutual Aid, Syndicalism, etc.
These structures can still exist in an anarchist society. The difference is the way decisions are made.
Hierarchical: top down Anarchist: bottom up
So the people choose to delegate the task of e.g. making sure the traffic flows properly to a group of people who carry out the will of the collective.
Currently, these people are chosen by heads of states, ministers, or some other level counted from the top.
how is this different from communism? it sounds pretty similar to lenins way of doing it
It’s a form of Communism, hence Anarcho-Communism being the most “popular” form of Anarchism.
Communists typically side more with Marx over Bakunin, and believe in a state as owned and managed by the Proletariat being the best method by which to achieve the end goal of a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society.
Anarcho-Communists tend to side more with Bakunin over Marx, believing such a structure to be dangerous in and of itself, and seek more decentralized revolutionary change.
Anarchists additionally tend to believe Marx’s analysis of Capitalism is good, but disagree on methods of achieving Communism. Anarchists aren’t anti-Marx, but rather tend to be more post-Marxist.
Additionally, there are nuanced differences in Communist structures. In traditional Marxist belief, the Socialist State would build up the infrastructure for Communism before withering away and being maintained by a Communist society, whereas Anarcho-Communists tend to prefer systems of Mutual Aid, which are almost the same but just different strategy.
Well, since I’m an anarcho-communist: It is a communist (as in: a classless, moneyless society based on the principle: to each according to their needs, from each according to their ability) model of how the world would work.
That’s not how Lenin did things, though. Lenin actively took power away from the sovjets and centralized decision making so that the bolsheviks made decisions top-down, not bottom up. Before the bolsheviks sabotaged it, Ukraine actually was organized in a very anarchist manner after the 1918 revolution.
I understand the party wanted to defend itself from foreign interference, something Ukraine was not able to do despite uniting with other eastern-european nations for defense. I see this as the main reason why we need socialist states before organizing the conditions for communism to happen.
How would you see such a large scale defense playing out in an anarchist society? I ask this with political interference, soft power and propaganda also in mind.
Would the USSR have survived for as long as it did if didnt have Ukraine as a “buffer zone” and a more centralized, hierarchical military? Are there anarchist answers to this?
Sorry, didn’t study that stuff. I only have a birds-eye view of that era. I do know the anarchist critique of Lenin, though.
Can you elaborate on that critique?
Sorry, I’m afraid I personally can’t. But I know an essay that can.