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Stop expecting perfection.
Nobody is perfect. MLK had affairs, the founding fathers owned slaves, Churchill was racist AF, etc.
She’s doing a great job now and we can educate her the same way we turned Obama from anti-gay marriage.
We should judge people OVERALL not on stuff like being anti-vax (which to be clear is dumb).
I don’t expect perfection…? Being anti-vax is a big deal to me. That’s not a harmless ideology. It’s moronic and anti-science. This isn’t just some little thing I disagree with it’s, in my opinion, a huge moral and intellectual failure. I think it’s completely fair that this gets brought up because it’s directly relevant.
Not to split hairs but she is actually against vaccine mandates, not against vaccines itself. She is vaccinated against covid-19.
Personally I disagree with her and support mandates, but there is a considerable difference between anti-vax and anti-mandates.
I wish we lived in a world where we could count on people to just do the right thing but we don’t. On issues that put everyone at risk I unfortunately have to stand on the side of mandates until people learn how to act. Personally I’d still rather that they just get naturally excluded from society but we’re all too split for that and too many people have to needlessly die in the meantime. I’m aware fighting for women’s rights to choose is kind of hypocritical in this situation but nobody has come up with a better solution that doesn’t just let people be wilfully ignorant and get other people killed in the process.
No!
If even ONE thought in her head disagrees with MY world view then she is useless and NEEDS to be destroyed!
/s
This is where leftists get the reputation for forming circular firing squads.
I always think of this farside
Yet somehow you guys are always the first to play the victim even to something that’s still theoretical. Like your comment here. Amazing example. Same with the person you responded to. Not a single example of anything like that but here you both are comforting each other over it lmao
What are you talking about here?
I don’t know but mine was 17 hours ago and yours was 17 mins ago which is kinda neat
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Talking about someone’s glaring flaws isn’t the same as expecting perfection. That’s an intillectually lazy way to see it. Wanting people to only sing the praises of anyone is actually expecting your version of perfection.
Why is this particular flaw relevant to this discussion?
If it’s relevant to the person being discussed it’s fair game imo. Just like it’s fair game to point out her better actions if it’s in a post dunking on her. Famous people are gonna be scrutinized more than the guy working at the gas station that’s just how it goes. I don’t expect perfection but what alternative do you even want here? I’m not down with ignoring bad behavior then because we want their help now. That’ll never sit right with me. If someone is in a position to be emulated by fans and they make the decision to spread dangerous ideology then fuck em. I’m gonna bring it up at every whisper of their name. It’s the closest thing to actual consequences for their actions that most rich/famous people ever get anyway.
Why does it matter if it’s relevant to the person, if it’s not relevant to the subject or current event in question?
To answer your question, the alternative I want here is better working conditions for actors. I view her as working class, not rich. The difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is about a billion dollars.
The guys her union is up against actually are rich, and they’re even worse. The working class is being divided and conquered.
To each their own. I’m not willing to give any slack on people that are anti-vax even if I perceive them as being helpful to me at the time.
Now thats a very good opinion that I totally endorse.
So what you’re saying is
All hail Sarah Silverman
Oh god, what did Sarah Silverman do?
Yeah. Put me on a pedestal instead. I’ve got some nice ideas. Like what if we made a car with a square steering wheel? I mean we won’t know the downsides until we try.
And after you take a turn, the downsides will change anyway!
I don’t know man. My dad, my teacher and the fireman have no public presence so they won’t be the face of any media workers’ strike. And at least one of the above is also an anti-vaxx and/or an asshole. This lady is just doing her role and I don’t think it makes much sense to undermine her work on this subject because her poor takes on others.
But isn’t that what our society does these days? Or at least certain segments of it.
They take someone who is X and then elevate them to some unreasonably high status that no one person should attain, and then that same society drops them like they’re a hot potato when they find out that the person isn’t perfect.
To be clear, I don’t disagree with your take. We shouldn’t be undermining someone’s work because of some stupid opinion on this or dumb decision to do that.
But think about what’s become a rather popular event over the last couple of years. Some actor gets shunned for saying some stupid shit about vaccines. There has been a whole rash of events where statues of people long dead have been taken down. Buildings dedicated to certain people were renamed. Columbus - the poor guy’s legacy has been dragged through the mud because of people who can’t separate the fact that he was a great explorer but he was also a bit of a douchebag.
We need to stop elevating these people to the level of a deity, and then we won’t be shocked to find out the person was just human and a bit of a womanizer or a prick about money or he didn’t like certain groups all that much. Praise them for their singing or acting or the new world they explored.
You say on one hand we should stop putting people on pedestals, but then in the same thought you go on to say that Columbus’ “legacy” was ruined just because he was a bit of a douchebag.
Like how logically inconsistent are your own thoughts? Columbus was a piece of shit who genocided multiple ethnic groups. He never should have had statues in the first place. He didn’t even find what he was looking for. He was an arrogant fuck who got lucky, and the world probably would have been better off if he drowned at sea.
And nobody “dragged him through the mud”, they just took a realistic look at who and what he actually is, which is supposedly what you’re proposing.
What is so difficult to understand? The person - all people in general - are multi-faceted and as humans we are all flawed. Someone can be a murder but also be brilliant on the football field, like OJ. Stop putting these people up on a pedestal. But at the same time, are we supposed to simply ERASE his accomplishments on the football field? Everything is so obnoxiously polarized.
That’s what people these days want to do. On the one hand they elevate every stupid celebrity they can think of and then everything comes crashing down when they say an off-color joke. If someone is a great singer… great, listen to their music, but stop fawning over what they wear and what they drive. Stop listening to every stupid comment they tweet. They are a singer, chances are they aren’t a scientist which probably doesn’t make them an expert on climate change or vaccines or whatever other topic. One day people are paying double for some celebrity endorsed sneaker and then the next they are burning those very same sneakers in a pit because he said something about endangered trees.
Off color joke =/= genocide. Great footballin < murdering. The people upset about the endangered trees are not the ones burning overpriced athletic shoes made by child slaves.
I’m going to assume you are a troll, because to do otherwise makes me feel sad.
a bit of a douchebag.
He committed genocide. Would that also make Hitler “a bit of a douchebag?”
Was he really a great explorer though? The guy dramatically underestimated the size of the earth and he and his crew probably would’ve died from thirst or starvation or whatever if they hadn’t run smack into the new world halfway to India.
By that logic then, the majority of world famous chemists and other scientists out there shouldn’t be heralded as great minds because they only accidentally discovered a certain medicine that cured a disease or a new element or some other new compound that eventually was put to great use.
God if there was one message I could forcefully implant into society as a whole it’s this. Well said.
Don’t put anyone on a pedestal. Not politicians, not celebrities’, not twitch streamers, not your girlfriend. You can love, respect and even like people, but don’t worship anyone, it leaves you blind to their faults and it’s a pain in the ass being the one on the pedestal in a relationship.
You can pass people’s messages around, and the messages that are not about them but that their presence and actions help spread, without putting them on a pedestal.
Try it for once. It’s fun.
Stop putting celebrities on a pedestal.
Unless it’s me, right? 🥰
Well of course, but that’s a given assumption
Hello, it’s me, your pedestal. Please sit on my face.
…and you are??
What if Fran Dresscher is my dad?
She might teacher 6th grade social studies too! Shit. You found a loophole.
It’s just a shitpost. Why so serious?
Everyone is a little loopy though. We’re all some flavor of hypocrite too.
I don’t mind celebrities being on a pedestal, because it is a common reference point for us all when discussing virtue or lack thereof.
We just all need to be reminded that they are still human and stupid in their own way.
But my dad is anti-vax and racist. I’m trading up!
I only look up to superheros like Karl Marx or Xi Jinping
Shut up, nerd
Stay in lemmygrad where you belong.
Make me 🤌🧀🐁
I don’t get it
Fran Drescher is president of SAG-AFTRA and leading the strike against, amongst other things, studios wanting to use AI to replace actors and writers.
Fran Drescher, the woman on the right, is the spokesperson for the current strike in Hollywood, where writers and actors are trying to force the studios to agree to not use AI in upcoming productions. To clarify, she’s the current head of SAG/AFTRA, which is the screen actors guild (union).
We should also add that she used to be the star of a sitcom called The Nanny in the 90s and hasn’t been heard of much since, so it was a big surprise to a lot of people (me included) when it turned out she’s been really active behind the scenes.
Yeah a lot of people mostly recognize her for her very distinctive voice and it’s not what you’d expect for a union president who’s going to strike
It’s not her real voice. She got recognized for it, but her actual voice is very regular.
Here is her SAG-AFTRA speech: https://youtu.be/mphpgRI00js
I can still hear the nasality in her voice, but yeah she hammed it up for The Nanny. Great speech too.
She’s from Flushing, NY, so that’s just kind of a regional accent. Definitely played up on The Nanny.
fuck yeah! that was awesome! great speech!
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I knew this would be that video before I clicked on it… In the context of that show, this was so, so funny
She also used that voice in UHF, 4 years before The Nanny.
I really think this is a much better and longer example of her real voice
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Here she is speaking with her normal voice
The other comment link showcases her ability to turn it off and on in a funny way but the above is relevant to the strike.
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Thanks so much for this. Really needed a good laugh this morning.
Weren’t she voice actress in hotel transylvania movies? Frankensteins wife iirc.
Okay but I think we can all agree Fran Drescher is THE baddest bitch after having watched her impassioned call to arms.
I don’t know who that is.
I didn’t either until this thread. Fran Drescher is the current president of the screen actors guild and I assume this has something to do with the writers strike. I guess AI content like images and stories, plus their own likeness and brands, is an issue in the strike.
I’m not paying any attention to the writers strike because I haven’t really consumed any new hollywood movies or tv shows in quite a while. Hollywood just isn’t relevant anymore and they know it, there’s just too much content online and other things to keep busy for me to care about their garbage.
Fran is quite well known for her role in The Nanny, and a pertinent scene is one where she fights not to cross a picket (strike) line, and her employer forces her across.
So a lot of us who remember this scene are all having a little extra giggle about the whole deal.
I always think of this article about how her surviving a home invasion and assault and then having a violent stalker while she was doing the Nanny led to the creation of the role of professional laughers for live studio audiences:
The Nanny
Thats where I know her from (getting old), but I know nothing of her during the strike (in fact, I know little about the strike, only that there is a on going strike).
I see what they’re getting at. Yeah I don’t really watch anything either!
I mean, if you want to post an irrelevant opinion that doesn’t reflect that of the majority’s, you should’ve gone to unpopularopinion
left:
lead actress in the Terminator movies - Linda Hamilton
right:
Fran Drescher, lead actress in “The Nanny” from the 90s. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000376/ as well as other things, of course. but this is what i remember her from.
I think it’s about the Hollywood actors’ strike.
She’s in the greatest film ever created: UHF.
Let’s not forget The Hollywood Knights.
Chandler’s on and off girlfriend
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The Nanny being the one to lead the charge vs Skynet is the exact shit I expect from this current clown timeline.
And I’m fine with it. Fran Drescher is awesome.
She’s an antivax conspiracy chud. Reserve your praise.
Select your praise. You can praise her pro-SAG action without having to also praise or even care about her anti-vax postures.
Right now she’s fucking up Hollywood billionaires. If true then I’m willing to use her like we used the Soviets in WW2.
The greater good
Fran is constantly fighting for people’s rights. I love her.
She’s passionate and she cares.
The highly nasal voice that strike fear into the hearts of machines everywhere.
For a long time I thought she played Janice on friends
Do you mean to tell me that she doesn’t play Janice on Friends?
She does not
Shit.
I think I just jumped parallel universes.
Bobbi Flekman confronted the sexism in the Spinal Tap album “Smell the Glove” back when she worked artist relations for Polymer Records in 1982. She has known for years that “Money talks, and bullshit walks”
She confronted it again in UHF. And kicked it.
Off topic but she sounded hoarse AF. I dunno if it’s from recent screaming or a pack-a-day habit but it caught me off guard.
Fran Drescher is such a baddie, all else aside.
