Can you please explain to us what you’re talking about? How Is Joe Biden “Genocide Joe”?
And I guess you’re a Trump supporter, why don’t you call him “Trump the insurrectionist”? He did in fact try to take power on january 6, but I guess that’s OK.
There’s been a concerted push by these dillweeds lately whining about Biden monetarily supporting Israel – something the US and literally every US president has done since Israel existed – which somehow amounts to Biden personally performing any and all atrocities Israel is up to at the moment. Therefore the only logical thing to do must be to not vote for Biden or any other Democrats (unspoken subtext: and let Trump win instead).
It’s such a narrow view… Biden and his administration don’t have anything to do with what’s happening on the ground in Gaza, but In my view the US politics for decades have something to do with how it’s become. If they where harder on Israel we might have had a different situation. That is not to say I agree with what this guy said. It’s completely nonsense.
It’s a deceitful presentation of the facts, ultimately. You can determine to vote for Biden in an effort to stave off fascism and not support his stance on Israel. Biden could have and should have not been so glib, and he clearly did not gauge the temperature of his electorate very well (if at all).
But these “Biden genocide” types often falsely imply there’s a viable alternative that isn’t Trump or Biden, yet they can never say who, and they can never show how that person would overcome the tribal and very reliable Republican voting bloc.
To be fair to Biden, the American public as a whole has been very pro-Israel for decades and I don’t think anyone expected the surge in people on our side of this issue. To be honest, I didn’t expect it either. It’s great to see but not surprising he would have preemptively said he supports Israel no matter what before realizing how popular the Palestinian cause actually is.
Oh, for sure. His support of Israel fits perfectly with the kind of person he is: Catholic, Boomer, old career politician, respects what allyship means. Christianity (the non-fundie kind) has been the dominant religion for most of his life, and they’ve always felt a religious kinship with Israel.
If he was slower to rally to their aid, that would have been the truly surprising outcome.
lol. Nothing but the billions of dollars and military equipment. Even private US defense contractors over there “mowing the lawn”.
The ethnic cleansing taking place in Palestine would not be able to take place without the US approval.
He will loose the election over this. It’s a horrible fact, and I really wish that dæthe democratic party would line up a better candidate, since Trump winning will be a total decline into the fascist abyss.
He’s a lemmy.ml user so I would suspect he’s not a Trump supporter but instead someone who gulps down the propaganda the Kremlin and Beijing aim at the western left by the gallon.
That isn’t inherently lemmy.ml, it’s just that many hexbear and lemmygrad users moonlight over there these days. Point being the instance isn’t quite as definitive a label as the style that has spilled over.
People parrot that a lot. Of the two core developers, one is an unhinged tankie, the other is far more moderate and reasonable.
At the end of the day though, it’s your instance admin that you’re putting trust into. Regardless of what version it says at the bottom of the page, the website could be running any code at any time.
If you start an instance with an unhinged tankie, it’s not possible to be moderate and reasonable. Life isn’t some 70s sitcom, “Oops, That Darn Tankie!”
Ah, I didn’t notice… I myself are on the left… But I don’t take anything people on Lemmy.ml say seriously, and to be quite honest I’m very sceptical about the dev of lemmy as they clearly are communist, which is not very positive in today’s world in my view.
Depends. Are we speaking about communism/socialism or dictatorships? America has fucked the word communist so hard it has no meaning anymore because of idiots attributing it to dictators.
Soooo I hadn’t heard this before. I signed up for the second-most popular lemmy instance when I was just poking around without a serious commitment. I know hexbear has been crazy but didn’t know lemmy.ml had a poor rep as well. As a very casual user that just wants to support a more diverse ecosystem which instance would you or others recommend?
Come over to sh.itjust.works we’ve got NCD, greentext, and gaming. Also dont be discouraged by NCD half of us are socialsts, because there nothing that can get someone harder than a worker owned American Military Industrial Complex.
I was being somewhat facetious, because anywhere is fine if you’re with it. But, imho, the better instances are catch all. Without some identity. Ml is borderline only because the loudest voices prevail. Make multiple accounts and fuck around, it’s not that big a deal.
You have two options dude. Moral grandstanding about third parties doesn’t mean shit in a FPTP system. If you want change, vote Biden so we don’t turn literally fascist and then campaign for FPTP advocacy at a local level
I would love to hear them. I’ve voted third party for president in every election I’ve been eligible to, purely as a protest vote (and because my California vote means essentially nothing.) But if everyone with the brains to do so did so it would only result in us splitting the left and waltzing the fascists who nearly win every time anyway with their brainwashed cultists right into uncontested power where they will further erode our voting rights.
Also the 3rd parties I typically vote for are essentially designed as spoiler parties for this exact purpose.
This isn’t our “America brain” it’s your small homogenous country brain.
But if everyone with the brains to do so did so it would only result in us splitting the left and waltzing the fascists who nearly win every time anyway with their brainwashed cultists right into uncontested power where they will further erode our voting rights.
But don’t you see‽ If we all voted with our hearts, we’d have the best candidates, and Dems and Republicans would both lose! /s
So what you are saying is that Donald J Trump is going to come to the rescue of the oppressed Muslim people of Palestine? The same Trump whose Middle East peace plan was formulated by his Jewish son-in-law and basically said “give Israel what they want, and everything will be fine”?
60 of them share the majority on the left and have varied beliefs (communism, socialism, liberalism, progressivism, etc.)
40 share the minority on the right and have largely monolithic beliefs (religion, tradition, control, etc.)
Candidate C is a Centrist.
Candidate F is a Fascist.
There are 10 other candidates, Q-Z, with varying platforms across the political spectrum.
35 of the minority are guaranteed to vote for F. 1 votes for Q. 2 vote for R. 2 vote for S.
But that means the 60 have an easy 25 point lead. 3 vote for Q. 2 vote for R. 5 vote for T. 6 vote for X. 10 abstain on moral grounds and don’t vote for anyone.
Candidate C gets 34 votes.
Candidate F gets 35 votes.
Candidate Q gets 1 vote.
Candidate R gets 4 votes.
Candidate S gets 2 votes.
Candidate T gets 5 votes.
Candidate X gets 6 votes.
Congratulations, the fascist won, because you thought you had the privilege to vote for your favorite, or maybe you didn’t vote at all. Either way, the fascist took your human rights away, along with everybody else’s. But you go to sleep at night knowing you stood your ground like a good idealogue.
You have a representative democratic system that degrades itself completely decade after decade while the culprits stuff their pockets and make careers out no longer representing the people that voted for them.
After so many decades of automating and accommodating financial interests, to the point where lobbies and corporate interests basically write the laws the politicians sign, the system is now completely broken and is no longer, in any way shape or form something that represents the interests of the people.
It is not privilege, but necessity to abstain from voting for actors in that system, unless they want to change it.
And I haven’t even covered how the system you are voting for are using war, death and terror to further, spread the domination of the same financial interests, and even destabilize and meddle in other democratic processes all over the world.
If there was a candidate that atleast pretended to want real change, I would absolutely encourage everyone to vote. But there isn’t. Not even the slightest.
It is not privilege, but necessity to abstain from voting for actors in that system, unless they want to change it.
You are advocating for being the 10 who abstain. The scenario I presented is how it works now (minus the political chess that is the Electoral College). What does abstention do to prevent the rise of fascism? How would you convince the other 90 to join you en masse? How would you prevent just one person from keeping such a system alive?
I know you can’t answer these questions, because none of the people who think like you can. This system sucks. I’m with you on that. But there isn’t another option, therefore choosing not to participate doesn’t do anything but give a leg up to the fascists.
Why would anyone vote for genocide Joe
Can you please explain to us what you’re talking about? How Is Joe Biden “Genocide Joe”? And I guess you’re a Trump supporter, why don’t you call him “Trump the insurrectionist”? He did in fact try to take power on january 6, but I guess that’s OK.
There’s been a concerted push by these dillweeds lately whining about Biden monetarily supporting Israel – something the US and literally every US president has done since Israel existed – which somehow amounts to Biden personally performing any and all atrocities Israel is up to at the moment. Therefore the only logical thing to do must be to not vote for Biden or any other Democrats (unspoken subtext: and let Trump win instead).
It’s such a narrow view… Biden and his administration don’t have anything to do with what’s happening on the ground in Gaza, but In my view the US politics for decades have something to do with how it’s become. If they where harder on Israel we might have had a different situation. That is not to say I agree with what this guy said. It’s completely nonsense.
It’s a deceitful presentation of the facts, ultimately. You can determine to vote for Biden in an effort to stave off fascism and not support his stance on Israel. Biden could have and should have not been so glib, and he clearly did not gauge the temperature of his electorate very well (if at all).
But these “Biden genocide” types often falsely imply there’s a viable alternative that isn’t Trump or Biden, yet they can never say who, and they can never show how that person would overcome the tribal and very reliable Republican voting bloc.
To be fair to Biden, the American public as a whole has been very pro-Israel for decades and I don’t think anyone expected the surge in people on our side of this issue. To be honest, I didn’t expect it either. It’s great to see but not surprising he would have preemptively said he supports Israel no matter what before realizing how popular the Palestinian cause actually is.
Oh, for sure. His support of Israel fits perfectly with the kind of person he is: Catholic, Boomer, old career politician, respects what allyship means. Christianity (the non-fundie kind) has been the dominant religion for most of his life, and they’ve always felt a religious kinship with Israel.
If he was slower to rally to their aid, that would have been the truly surprising outcome.
lol. Nothing but the billions of dollars and military equipment. Even private US defense contractors over there “mowing the lawn”.
The ethnic cleansing taking place in Palestine would not be able to take place without the US approval.
He will loose the election over this. It’s a horrible fact, and I really wish that dæthe democratic party would line up a better candidate, since Trump winning will be a total decline into the fascist abyss.
It’s a principled view and it’ll be a minority of people, but I think their voice is important.
He’s a lemmy.ml user so I would suspect he’s not a Trump supporter but instead someone who gulps down the propaganda the Kremlin and Beijing aim at the western left by the gallon.
Chances are he is Russian or Chinese
That isn’t inherently lemmy.ml, it’s just that many hexbear and lemmygrad users moonlight over there these days. Point being the instance isn’t quite as definitive a label as the style that has spilled over.
Nah, the lead Lemmy developers and admins of Lemmy.ml are unapologetic communists and China supporters.
People parrot that a lot. Of the two core developers, one is an unhinged tankie, the other is far more moderate and reasonable.
At the end of the day though, it’s your instance admin that you’re putting trust into. Regardless of what version it says at the bottom of the page, the website could be running any code at any time.
If you start an instance with an unhinged tankie, it’s not possible to be moderate and reasonable. Life isn’t some 70s sitcom, “Oops, That Darn Tankie!”
I won’t argue that the instance is welcoming to them, but it was explicitly started to be neutral.
Ah, I didn’t notice… I myself are on the left… But I don’t take anything people on Lemmy.ml say seriously, and to be quite honest I’m very sceptical about the dev of lemmy as they clearly are communist, which is not very positive in today’s world in my view.
Depends. Are we speaking about communism/socialism or dictatorships? America has fucked the word communist so hard it has no meaning anymore because of idiots attributing it to dictators.
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Soooo I hadn’t heard this before. I signed up for the second-most popular lemmy instance when I was just poking around without a serious commitment. I know hexbear has been crazy but didn’t know lemmy.ml had a poor rep as well. As a very casual user that just wants to support a more diverse ecosystem which instance would you or others recommend?
Come over to sh.itjust.works we’ve got NCD, greentext, and gaming. Also dont be discouraged by NCD half of us are socialsts, because there nothing that can get someone harder than a worker owned American Military Industrial Complex.
Oh shit did I register on a bad server? 👀
Yes.
Where should I migrate to?
I was being somewhat facetious, because anywhere is fine if you’re with it. But, imho, the better instances are catch all. Without some identity. Ml is borderline only because the loudest voices prevail. Make multiple accounts and fuck around, it’s not that big a deal.
I just started to block people who are lying or saying things in bad faith and I think it’ll clean up my experience really quickly.
I think you’re right!
Trump is a straight up fascist. He will literally end what is left of the frail democratic system in the US.
I just don’t see that as an argument for anything
You have two options dude. Moral grandstanding about third parties doesn’t mean shit in a FPTP system. If you want change, vote Biden so we don’t turn literally fascist and then campaign for FPTP advocacy at a local level
Imagine thinking opposition to Biden is support of Trump. Peak America brain, only able to conceive two options.
Is this third option in the room with us now?
You’ve always had other options.
Name one.
Sorry you’re right, it’s a fundamental law of the universe that Americans have no options besides Democrat/Republican.
Ok. So what’s the other options you’re alluding to?
Oh no, I very much agree with them.
There’s literally zero other options isn’t there?
You’re not very good at math, are you?
I would love to hear them. I’ve voted third party for president in every election I’ve been eligible to, purely as a protest vote (and because my California vote means essentially nothing.) But if everyone with the brains to do so did so it would only result in us splitting the left and waltzing the fascists who nearly win every time anyway with their brainwashed cultists right into uncontested power where they will further erode our voting rights.
Also the 3rd parties I typically vote for are essentially designed as spoiler parties for this exact purpose.
This isn’t our “America brain” it’s your small homogenous country brain.
But don’t you see‽ If we all voted with our hearts, we’d have the best candidates, and Dems and Republicans would both lose! /s
American brain? I’m not even american 🤣
Well, it’s part of the “them versus us” rethoric…
So what you are saying is that Donald J Trump is going to come to the rescue of the oppressed Muslim people of Palestine? The same Trump whose Middle East peace plan was formulated by his Jewish son-in-law and basically said “give Israel what they want, and everything will be fine”?
Gotcha.
Not at all. He will be even worse. By a long shoot. I still don’t see that as an argument for anything
Because they’d rather not live under a fascist dictator? Did you read the article?
Because if he’s the frontrunner, the alternative is no more democracy.
If your representative democracy is not representing you. Then there already is no more democracy.
If I have a car, and it doesn’t work anymore, do I still have a car?
Not a working car that you can use no…
But you still called it a car. Therefore, a broken democracy is still a democracy.
That is the saddest defense of a failed democracy I have ever heard
Nobody said it’s pretty. But it’s what we’ve got right now. Unless you have a better alternative and a plan to get there…?
Whining is easy.
Imagine being unable to understand why people would vote against Donald Trump…
Ah yes, Genocide Joe, as opposed to Genocide Xi or Genocide Vladimir…
Are they on the ballot?
No, but curiously enough they had a foot in the White House, when it was Orange.
Trump wants to Genocide Americans, Americans like you.
Plot twist: that poster isn’t American.
Most predictable plot twist of all plot twists ever.
It really is peak centrist liberal to be satisfied with the least horrible alternative.
Democracy is representative. If Noone represents you, why should you support them?
Imagine this scenario.
35 of the minority are guaranteed to vote for F. 1 votes for Q. 2 vote for R. 2 vote for S.
But that means the 60 have an easy 25 point lead. 3 vote for Q. 2 vote for R. 5 vote for T. 6 vote for X. 10 abstain on moral grounds and don’t vote for anyone.
Congratulations, the fascist won, because you thought you had the privilege to vote for your favorite, or maybe you didn’t vote at all. Either way, the fascist took your human rights away, along with everybody else’s. But you go to sleep at night knowing you stood your ground like a good idealogue.
Imagine this scenario.
You have a representative democratic system that degrades itself completely decade after decade while the culprits stuff their pockets and make careers out no longer representing the people that voted for them.
After so many decades of automating and accommodating financial interests, to the point where lobbies and corporate interests basically write the laws the politicians sign, the system is now completely broken and is no longer, in any way shape or form something that represents the interests of the people.
It is not privilege, but necessity to abstain from voting for actors in that system, unless they want to change it.
And I haven’t even covered how the system you are voting for are using war, death and terror to further, spread the domination of the same financial interests, and even destabilize and meddle in other democratic processes all over the world.
If there was a candidate that atleast pretended to want real change, I would absolutely encourage everyone to vote. But there isn’t. Not even the slightest.
You are advocating for being the 10 who abstain. The scenario I presented is how it works now (minus the political chess that is the Electoral College). What does abstention do to prevent the rise of fascism? How would you convince the other 90 to join you en masse? How would you prevent just one person from keeping such a system alive?
I know you can’t answer these questions, because none of the people who think like you can. This system sucks. I’m with you on that. But there isn’t another option, therefore choosing not to participate doesn’t do anything but give a leg up to the fascists.