You have an idea about a market solution to the problem, and then act like you’ve solved the problem.
The problem isn’t a lack of ideas! The problem is a lack of implementation! You have to get these ideas into the real world somehow, and revolution is the only way you can do that. There are billionaires aligned against implementing these ideas. You have to stop them.
Revolution is also more than eating the rich. Its also setting a framework for the future through non-violent action. Organizing and interacting both with local communities and national and international concerns.
Making unrelated enemies is a quick way to burn any changes at the starting gate. The right doesn’t need you existing to point to with their narrative but it sure does help it resonate with average people.
They’re the peasants that revolt against their local lord while still being loyal to the king, because surely the problem is just that the king has bad advisors and the local lord is corrupt!
It’s not idealism. If you have a better solution that is not radical by design, go ahead. I was literally not specific intentionally. Go ahead, what instrument within the current system would work that are not regulations?
Regulations don’t work when they don’t get implemented, which means your ideas are purely ideas and not materialistic solutions. There aren’t going to be any regulations, don’t you get it? That ship has so obviously sailed.
There isn’t a better solution that’s not radical and that’s why radical solutions all that’s left!
We’ll, changes won’t work on your system if they don’t get implemented either. If your system is a catch-all for forcing through unpopular changes, don’t expect to see much success. We have implemented comprehensive environmental changes in the past but it takes time and ground work.
There will be people who thought it was successful, and people who thought it was unsuccessful, in every revolution. You’d need to clarify who ‘they’ are.
And as for me, I’m not sure there’s anything we can do about this, even with a revolution - at least with such a small number of us that actually care. If the majority actually wanted to change from the status quo, maybe then a revolution could work.
Well, I mean, historically, the USA had a very successful revolution in that they have become the greatest world power nowadays…
Even if they are a capitalist crazed two party nation, where a majority struggle to survive and they have to pay for the basic human right of healthcare, all in the name of some “free market” to help the rich get richer at their own expense.
In the conversation on which successful country to emulate. I think the point is that one doesn’t exist that’s been successful. It’s a societal filter.
This is literally idealism.
You have an idea about a market solution to the problem, and then act like you’ve solved the problem.
The problem isn’t a lack of ideas! The problem is a lack of implementation! You have to get these ideas into the real world somehow, and revolution is the only way you can do that. There are billionaires aligned against implementing these ideas. You have to stop them.
Revolution is also more than eating the rich. Its also setting a framework for the future through non-violent action. Organizing and interacting both with local communities and national and international concerns.
When the rich send men with guns to break up your non-violent organizations and communities, you aren’t going to debate them into submission.
So we all burn while you try to change the system instead of focusing on the problem at hand. Great and thanks.
Did I say that was the only thing?
Because if you ignore this now to burn down the rich, you’ll be burning later anyways.
Making unrelated enemies is a quick way to burn any changes at the starting gate. The right doesn’t need you existing to point to with their narrative but it sure does help it resonate with average people.
Its over man, I just look at those sad little true believers as pathetic comic relief.
They’d be the ones in the town squares pre-revolution scolding passers by for not blindly following the wisdom of their oppressive monarchs.
“Stay the course! So I can feel like I’m safe and that everything is working as it’s supposed to!”
They’re the peasants that revolt against their local lord while still being loyal to the king, because surely the problem is just that the king has bad advisors and the local lord is corrupt!
They’re the voters stupid enough to vote against their interests, and there’s no shortage of them. Serfs gonna serf.
It’s not idealism. If you have a better solution that is not radical by design, go ahead. I was literally not specific intentionally. Go ahead, what instrument within the current system would work that are not regulations?
Regulations don’t work when they don’t get implemented, which means your ideas are purely ideas and not materialistic solutions. There aren’t going to be any regulations, don’t you get it? That ship has so obviously sailed.
There isn’t a better solution that’s not radical and that’s why radical solutions all that’s left!
We’ll, changes won’t work on your system if they don’t get implemented either. If your system is a catch-all for forcing through unpopular changes, don’t expect to see much success. We have implemented comprehensive environmental changes in the past but it takes time and ground work.
Which country is the model to emulate? Which country has had the successful revolution?
Many countries have successfully overthrown previous governments and implemented new ones. It depends what you mean by ‘successful’.
I’m asking which ones did it by their definition of successful. Which country should we emulate?
There will be people who thought it was successful, and people who thought it was unsuccessful, in every revolution. You’d need to clarify who ‘they’ are.
I asked a specific person, @queermunist, which country we should emulate. @queermunist, which country should we emulate?
I await their response.
And as for me, I’m not sure there’s anything we can do about this, even with a revolution - at least with such a small number of us that actually care. If the majority actually wanted to change from the status quo, maybe then a revolution could work.
Well, I mean, historically, the USA had a very successful revolution in that they have become the greatest world power nowadays…
Even if they are a capitalist crazed two party nation, where a majority struggle to survive and they have to pay for the basic human right of healthcare, all in the name of some “free market” to help the rich get richer at their own expense.
So, you are saying we should emulate the United States? Are you following this conversation?
That’s not what I said. I gave an example of a “successful” revolution.
In the conversation on which successful country to emulate. I think the point is that one doesn’t exist that’s been successful. It’s a societal filter.