• rustydomino@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    As a non Jew, this is one of the things I appreciate about Judaism. Y’all might believe this, but you spend zero effort convincing me this is true.

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      1 year ago

      Except for orthodox jews who are currently legislating their ass-backwards practice in Israel.

      Every religion sucks, some just have the power.

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      1 year ago

      You’re right. It isn’t true. Judaism’s official position is that Judaism is explicitly for Jews only. You’re welcome to join us if you do the work to do so and realize the difficulty it may bring, but it’s our thing and we explicitly do not try to try to convince other people to become Jews. We actively do the opposite, discouraging people to convert. Being Jewish doesn’t make us better people or worse people than anyone else, it just makes us Jews.

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          I have no idea where you learned that, but you are just patently incorrect. Judaism is a distinct religion separated from Islam and Christianity. It’s not those religions-lite, it’s its own thing. It is an ethnoreligion, with atheists who practice Judaism culturally.

          There is no “factually correct” means of Judaism either, the entire religion is based upon debate and discussion. If you ask two rabbis the same question, you will get four different answers. The word Israel directly translated to “to wrestle with G-d”

          Yes, Judaism has its issue but doing this nonsense only serves to harm us.

          There is a key religious philosophy in Judaism that athiests who do good deeds are potentially the most giving of all, as it is known for certain that they are doing good things for the sake of being good not out of fear or reward. That is the words uttered from one of the most important Jewish philosophers, ever.

          Jews are not your enemy, we are your allies. Evil people tend come for us first, and we will stand up for you when we need to as well. American Jews are extremely chill and extremely left leaning. We are actively pushing back against the US backsliding.

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              🙄 the chosen people think does not mean what you think it means. Jews disagree on more than just a “few miracles” the religion is literally completely different than other abrahamic religions

              Regardless I know there’s no point in arguing with you. It’s ironic you say that other faiths have those who still culturally practice when it’s clear you have internalized Christian hegemony towards Jews and still perpetuate it. You’re acting like a Christian atheist. don’t take your religious trauma out on Jews please

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              I am understanding what you’re saying, and I am telling that you’re wrong. You’re understanding on what religion stands for is coming a very Christianized perspective of what religion is and isn’t and taking that approach towards Judaism is extremely harmful. Someone believing in Buddhism does not mean they explicitly think all religions are incorrect, that’s probably the worst example as Buddhists are explicitly religiously pluralistic. Jews do not see Judaism as being above all religions and that all others are wrong, it’s more nuanced. Judaism is perfectly fine with other religions for the most part in the modern day. Religious pluralism is kind of the general consensus amongst Jews. Philosophically in Judaism its easier for non-Jews to be righteous and enter the afterlife over Jews themselves.

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                  1 year ago

                  Not believing in other religions does not mean that you believe all others are inherently incorrect. That is a very Christian thing.

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                    1 year ago

                    I think you reflect the opinions of American Reform Jews.

                    Orthodox jews are absolutely dogmatic and judgmental, look at Israel.

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                    1 year ago

                    This is false. Not believing something does mean someone thinks it has inherently failed its burden of proof.

                    You should say: not believing doesn’t mean that they are incapable of considering it’s validity.

                    Also, it’s not christian… but now we are splitting hairs.

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                Some people jusr don’t realize just how engrained Christianity is in our society.

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                    I think the argument prior have is that for religious Jews (~75% in the US) there are religious Jewish laws and a biblical God (~25% of us Jews believe in the biblical God)…

                    The fact that there is some wiggle room for those 50% of us Jews who believe in a higher power, but not specifically the god of the bible is the part that is lost.

                    The 25% of Jews who do believe in the biblical God absolutely fall into this meme without question.

                    Honestly, the problem here isn’t the “Christian atheists”. You are making some claims about Jews the people and others are making claims about Judaism the religion. Unfortunately, everyone is using the same word too describe it.