I literally do blame the Democrats for Trump, and if you don’t, you weren’t paying attention.

Plenty of us were critiquing Clinton’s campaign on those merits and were consistently talked down to in shocker the same way we’re being talked down to now. Shocker, she lost. I remember saying a few weeks before the election “We’re about to get Brexited.” I put my vote down for Clinton, because Trump is fucking insane, and that was clear before he was President. It was clear in the fucking 1980’s.

Being able to critique our leaders is supposed to be what is the difference between us and conservative voters. They’re the cult who unquestioningly believes all the bullshit that comes out of Trump’s mouth and diapers. I find it weird that people think we should be more like them in regards to our leaders like that would be a good thing.

  • squiblet@kbin.social
    11515·
    11 months ago

    Hillary Clinton’s campaign was poorly run, but she didn’t invent Trump or get millions of people to vote for him. Trump was set up by 25+ years of extremist Republican media - people like Limbaugh, Murdoch, O’Reilly - and enabled by the “liberal” mainstream media, who wouldn’t stop talking about his stupid shit for the 2 years leading up to the campaign, and are doing the same thing this time.

    • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPEnglish
      5920·
      11 months ago

      Just a reminder that Clinton had deep press connections and so acting like her elevating of Trump didn’t impact other media sources is a bit disingenuous. It was a campaign strategy to elevate Trump, and that included working with “friendly” journalists.

      Did people forget that Correct the Record were literally keyboard warriors employed by the DNC to go and do exactly the kind of shit I’m complaining about online. Shitting all over progressives and forum sliding?

      • Daft_ish@lemmy.world
        112·
        11 months ago

        You forget the democratic party isn’t the progressive party. Look at New Hampshire. When Bidens not on the ballot people are writing him in. Democrats are a big tent you can’t just boot out the centrists or the neo-liberals and expect to win anything.

        It sucks, and it double sucks because fascism is looming and the Dems are pretending everything is status quo. They sit in a high tower thinking progress is something serfs will win all on their on and when they do they’ll be just as protective of the status quo. It’s delusional but we need these guys or we need to turn the 50% of Americans who don’t even want to be involved.

        End of day we can criticize Biden but we don’t fucking have to keep on bringing up Hillary.

        • QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world
          3·
          11 months ago

          Democrats are a big tent you can’t just boot out the centrists or the neo-liberals and expect to win anything.

          Wrong. You can expect the neo-liberals to fall in line in the exact same way they expect progressives to fall in line.

          Progressives are not uniquely enlightened, and you cannot reliably expect them to be the “bigger man” indefinitely.

          • Daft_ish@lemmy.world
            1·
            11 months ago

            You know, Ill agree with you. I just don’t think an election where Trump is on the ticket is the right time to test it.

        • AhismaMiasma@lemm.ee
          64·
          11 months ago

          I will keep bringing up Hillary every single time Trump & 2016 are mentioned together. We got one because of the other and people like to “forget”.

    • ryathal@sh.itjust.works
      246·
      11 months ago

      Trump was an outsider candidate that took advantage of anti-establisment sentiment. He was barely a republican before 2016. He won because Hillary was incompetent and the DNC didn’t pick up on the anti-establishment vibes, and picked the most establishment candidate possible. Yes Republicans have been attacking Hillary since Bill got elected, but that wasn’t news to Democrats that didn’t care.