All that really matters in the end is decompileability or source code availability. The other licensing stuff is extra and doesn’t matter because businesses fail and people die. When incapacitated, or sunk into obscurity it’s yours for the taking.
Couldn’t disagree with you more, the thing about federation is that it isn’t viewing the content on the server it was posted on, it is crossposting it to all other federated servers. That means you are when federating remote content you are literally platforming it. That also means you are liable for it if it’s objectionable or illegal content. So being able to not accept those crossposts is important. Honestly defederation and limited federation are not as big of issues as you and others think they are, you can ignore the majority of the defederated servers and it’ll be fine, the issue comes when people want the world and aren’t entitles to have it, like I said in my other comment.
Email is an example of a successful federated platform and it barely has defederation support.
You are insanely naive for saying this. If you’d used non-corporate email servers, like the much smaller email providers out there (which are basically extinct at this point) you’d know just how wrong this actually is. Most smaller email providers out there are blocked or limited by the big ones and the ones that are blocked your mail will never reach the inboxes of people on the big servers, not even the spam folders on those servers. They won’t bounce it back to you either, so it’ll just go into the void.
Most email these days is used primarily by the all mighty trinity: Gmail, Outlook, and Yahoo, and a Few on Hotmail and AOL and while there are a few smaller companies out there like Proton, when it comes to something that isn’t a company or is self-hosted you can expect a lot of problems with domains being blacklisted, IPs being blacklisted, or both. And it’s actually much worse than defederation.
Perhaps that is how at least the non-threaded fediverse should work… However, that would also mean that some instance hosting heinous shit would keep being visible to everyone. It’s a tricky problem.
You’re beginning to realize why the decision to limit spam and illegal shit was chosen over catering to the people who want the whole federated world instead of what they’re allowed access to. Ultimately it is better for everyone if the depraved shit and spam gets blocked, than it is for the people who want the whole world to have their way. If you want the world, go to Nostr, you’ll learn why most people do not want the world.
They’re choosing to attack the public square anyway, because they don’t want their shelters, they want the whole fucking world. And they can’t have it.
This is the best way of putting it, the whole thing about people complaining about defederation. Honestly fuck the people who are like this, who do you think you are asking for the whole world when you weren’t entitled to it in the first place. You weren’t entitled access to Facebook content from Reddit or vice versa. It’s the same here.
I know that part of the reason people like that came her in the first place was because Mastodon and the OG fediverse services made that empty promise to them in the beginning (also saying a lot of shit about freedom and free speech) so those are the people that have been attracted. It really needs to be said loud and clear that this isn’t the case or intention, and catering to people who want the world when they don’t deserve it, is not the goal of the Fediverse or decentralization.
You can see it in your modlog by filtering by community bans. Here’s a link to that: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModBanFromCommunity&userId=7652836
That said a lot of these bans you received seem more than justified, only the Hexbear ones I would really chalk up to nutty mods, but if you disagree I’d suggest posting about it on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com as this isn’t the place to discuss mod abuse, that is.
Would need to be one that restricts participation of the other party, Lemmy blocks are useless in that regard. Otherwise you’re not doing anything to deal with network effect just pretending those spaces don’t exist. Something only useful for snowflakes with weak emotions, and not people who want to make a difference.
In order for that to work there needs to be effort taken to curb persistent network effect like the utterly monolithic communities on lemmy.ml. When there isn’t any, they just get bigger and stronger. That isn’t something you can do by starting new instances, it has to be done by ones with a big slice of the pie, something new instances never have unless started just after the collapse of an existing one.
I suggest you add !globalnews@lemmy.zip to the news section. Beehaw isn’t accessible to people on instances they’ve defederated from or instances that have defederated them.
Their audience isn’t the problem it’s mainly the moderation style they use, which is very extreme, even compared to similar instances like lemmy.blahaj.zone.
Especially because they likely did it knowing they could sneakily refederate later without people knowing, which is probably what they did recently.
Yeah they’re way too extreme up to the point of walking on eggshells around them. Personally I never participated there but from what I’ve seen they go way too harsh. I think their intentions are good but they still need to loosen up a bit, okay a lot.
Though in a way it’s good because it means they broke the early network effect they had in their communities by cutting off lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works.
The people in the early days of Fediverse who came up with cringey and misleading fediverse admins made a lot of claims that weren’t true. Like that here no one can censor (moderate) you and that it’s a freeze peach bastion. Both of these are not true at all. ActivityPub federation isn’t about no rules, freedom of speech, or lack of censoring. It’s about sites and services cooperating and inter-operating. Freedom of speech isn’t a goal of the fediverse, (alt-right trolls, transphobes, extremists need to be banned to have healthy communities) nor is it about not being able to be moderated. It is about websites to be able to cooperate and interoperate and share their content automatically with each others users.
If you wanted something for free speech and un-governability this isn’t it. You’re probably better off on Nostr. Until you realize how awful that actually is (even EH realized that hence why hilariouschaos.com exists).
They got offended because they support that same crap and they see it being called out.
I don’t know if I would agree with that assessment entirely, yes Lemmy.world has the same starting Jerk to not jerk ratio. However on Lemmy.world the amount of jerks who aren’t banned is higher than instances like blahaj.zone, dbzer0, or pawb.social. So there are more jerks on Lemmy.world, not because it attracts more jerks or has more users but also because it doesn’t ban them as often as other instances do.
I’m using jerk kind of loosely but I’ll clarify because people will think I’m trying to say someone should be banned for a rude moment but I’m not. When I say jerk, what I really mean is alt-right troll, transphobe, sealioner, climate-denier, etc. Someone who isn’t obvious enough to be caught as a spammer would but who is still bad for the community.
Lemmy.world has kind of awful moderation, which means people who are trolls or bad actors have lived here for a very long time despite multiple reports. It was only recently that Linkerbaan (the most notorious one of all) was banned, and it took a thread complaining about bans in !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com and dbzer0 admins messaging them to get their attention.
There are other people here like that which never receive permanent bans for consistently horrible behavior. It’s not great, and while I don’t agree with Beehaw’s decision to defederate over it I do think that things could be better. It does degrade user experience to have known trolls and assholes running wild and only getting a slap on the wrist when they do something horrible.
It happened that way with Beehaw. Beehaw used to be in the same position as lemmy.ml with some of their communities. But they decided to knee jerk defederate us and sh.itjust.works because we’re big. They stopped being the de-facto communities not just for us here but almost anywhere else. Defederation does curb this kind of network effect, and quickly too, especially when it causes the less active ones to inflate like crazy.
We would adapt, just like when Beehaw was a significant amount of the userbase on Lemmy and they cut us and sh.itjust.works off, we adapted and they got smaller. Lemmy.world is a bigger server than lemmy.ml. Only reason their communities are still so big is network effect. Which would be curbed by them being cut off. As I’ve said already, network effect is curbed by force, taking away a choice, not providing 7 more choices while leaving the original.
I think things like this can be helpful at curbing network effect. Which can only be really curbed by force. Beehaw used to have quite strong network effect in some communities too in the earlier days, but now, they have much less of a vice, and are actually much quieter than they were before.
Might be a good idea to check out !de_ml@lemmy.blahaj.zone in these trying times. In case it’s a while before the issue is fixed.
You can still get your money back for it if you payed with a card, it’s not like RD will be useful again. Might as well reclaim the money you just spent on it.
Yeah it would be so posts under those same tags get indexed together. Also probably wouldn’t be worth it to enable it in comments. It would probably be an extra field in the post where you add tags, not just typing a #hashtag.
Seems like Matrix would be more suited for that kind of chat based environment.