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Most, as you put it, “experts” point to inflation as a consequence, but I know shit about economics and don’t know the mechanism behind it.

https://www.newsweek.com/what-does-rubles-sharp-fall-mean-russias-economy-1992933

Great question! The reason why I was using the 2017 report is that the Guardian arrival you originally referred to was from 2017, so I looked at the report they were working off of.

That is sensible, yes.

I regards to the graph you posted, it shows how emissions from private comps is have fallen and emissions from nations and nation owned companies have rissen. I think this is a relevant distinction to make, because the meme and the report as they are show a one sided picture (capitalism is the sole drive of climate change) whilst, looking at the complete data, a more nuanced picture emerges (like the role of nations in upholding the capitals system).

Why are you using data from the 2017 report?

You are referring to page 15, which shows emissions in 2015. In the up to date 2024 report this has been replaced with emissions after the Paris climate agreement, so 2016 till 2022.

As you can see, the same picture emerges as I stated in my first post: the top actors are Nations or state owned producers. The contribution to global Co2 emissions is listet, but still only refers to fossil fuel and cement Co 2 emissions.

https://mander.xyz/comment/15166141

I’ll refer to this comment where I showed why the article quoted here is very missleading.

This meme is not true and missleading. I know it fits the narrative of “companies bad”. But it’s not based on fact.

It’s based on an article by the guardian.

Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions, study says

The article is based on the Carbon Major Report.

It describes itself like this:

Carbon Majors is a database of historical production data from 122 of the world’s largest oil, gas, coal, and cement producers. This data is used to quantify the direct operational emissions and emissions from the combustion of marketed products that can be attributed to these entities.

As you can see, they speak about “entities”, not companies. Who are said entities?

75 Investor-owned Companies, 36 State-owned Companies, 11 Nation States, 82 Oil Producing Entities, 81 Gas Entities, 49 Coal Entities, 6 Cement Entities

As one might realize, only 75 are Companies. Most of them are either States, or producers of Oil, Gas, Coal and Cement.

The 71 % is not at all about global emissions. This is wrong.

72% of Global Fossil Fuel & Cement CO2 Emissions

So it’s 100 entities that are responsible for 72 % of the world’s fossil and cement Co2 emission.

https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/05dfb9e1-ace2-4072-9fc5-7ed6f6eddfb2.png

Looking at them you can see how the top emitter are very much not companies. Also, it’s historical Co2, a fact made prominent by the former Soviet union beeing the top emitter.

Let’s look at some more findings:

The Carbon Majors database finds that most state- and investor-owned companies have expanded their production operations since the Paris Agreement. 58 out of the 100 companies were linked to higher emissions in the seven years after the Paris Agreement than in the same period before. This increase is most pronounced in Asia, where 13 out of 15 (87%) assessed companies are connected to higher emissions in 2016–2022 than in 2009–2015, and in the Middle East, where this number is 7 out of 10 companies (70%). In Europe, 13 of 23 companies (57%), in South America, 3 of 5 (60%) companies, and in Australia, 3 out of 4 (75%) companies were linked to increased emissions, as were 3 of 6 (50%) African companies. North America is the only region where a minority of companies, 16 of 37 (43%), were linked to rising emissions.

Here the report mixes state and private companies. The rise is most prominent in countries with state owned companies. Privote companies, as seen in Europe and North America, haven’t increased that much.

So, all in all: The idea that 100 companies are responsible for the destruction of earth is plain wrong.

I know the ideas that companies are responsible and to blaim for the current state of affairs fits our world view (it fits mine!!), but please don’t run into the trap of believing everything you read just because it does.

Okay, I’ll not downvotes but try to engage.

The right I activly holding back information from their echo chamber that can objectively view as factual (climate change is the most prominent example that comes to mind). So they are indeed ignoring reality in a messuarable way. Why do you think the right is not perseved as a thread then? For example the thread of ignoring climate change or science in general? Do you think “the middle” doesn’t see that as a problem?

How, in your option has the left removed itself from reality? Can you provide some concrete examples please?

I can think of examples for the silencing both on the right or the left. In regards to the left I’m thinking of speakers at university’s beeing canceled or yelled over. And I do see how speach controll might be seen as silencing. Is it a thing? Where I am from it seems to be more of a right wing point pretending that they are speach-controlled while nobody is forcing speech on anybody, just suggesting more inclusive ways of speaking (let’s use pronouns as an example).

So I guess what I am saying is: Is the perception of the left grounded in reality or has it been crafted by right wing propaganda? And since the answer has to be “yes to both”, do you think it’s more grounded in reality than it is constructed by the right?

From this response and the others given here I think you should have better said “… this is MY roleplaying game”. I don’t think I would enjoy this attitude as a player.

That beeing said, you do yours. As long as you are having fun and you have players that enjoy your style of DMing, that’s all fine.

Not everybodies playstyle is compatible, and that is a good thing, because different people enjoy different things. I’m saying this because I want to make clear that I’m not trying to make a personal attack here.

This isn’t a physics sim. This is a roleplaying game.

😉

That’s a very low bar.

I’ll show myfself out.

Also true if Eddy from Steven King’s Dark Tower was Australien

Come to Lemmy, where the left can still be found in all its unhinged glory. We have Eat-the-Rich-Mondays, Threaten-a-Tankie-Thursdays and Wine-about-Windows-Wednesdays.

Absolutely. I try to counter it by beeing aware and checking M opinions against facts where possible. But I am sure there are many topics where I don’t fully succeed or I haven’t caught myself doing it yet.

I honestly don’t see how I am or was screaming at you and u apologise if it came across as such. You are stating your opinion, which you indeed are entitled too. I am stating why I disagree. I am not attacking you as a person, or trying to belittle you for it. I simply don’t think it beneficial (for the left) to hold the view you have stated without evidence.

Trump is a con man and a liar, absolutely. But for pulling of something on this scale it needs way, way more than one person. And all of them would have to hold tight, no leaks what so ever. That just doesn’t sound realistic to me. I do hold the view hat we should base our opinions in fact, not speculation. I don’t mean this as an attack. Ist just my view.

I am also not accusing you or anyone of beeing in cult.

I said it before to another person here, I’ll say it again: I understand how you, how we all are angry, hurt, devasted even after this election. I share those emotions very much.

I still don’t think we should copy the behaviour of the other side. I know you feel justified in your option. So do they. That doesn’t make it more or less true though. Cult like would leave no room for discussion what so ever tough. I think we have that room, and are engaging in it right now. I think indeed the very fact that we are able to exchange opinions on this shows how this is very much not a cult.

One person is not a conspiracy theory

Sure, but you are not the only person here, who is taking that narrative.

Sure Trump is a fucking Bastard. But we hit quite hard on the right for speeding their conspiracy “stolen election” shit in 2020. I just don’t think it’s sensible to turn that around. With clear cut evidence: sure thing. But just making the accusation… Na, not so much.

That’s fair, and I’m sorry to have been an asshole about it.

No worries. We all have to cope with this some way or another and sometimes that mean beeing a bit of an asshole. I don’t take it personal, I understand where you are coming from.

I question the fact that nearly 1 in 2 Latino voters voted to deport themselves

Latin are a conservative bunch by nature. Many of the progressiv view the left hold, regarding for example masculinity and feminism, stand in contrast to their culture. (This is a very broad statement that does not aplly to all Lations!) And many think that it’s not going to be them that will be deported, it will he those Mexican drug smugglers. Which is a delusional view to hold, in my opinion. Same fore for queer folk voting red. But it is want it is and the data we have from polling and voting do add up in regards to Lations.

I find it difficult to believe that 15+ million other voters who showed up to vote for Joe Biden, didn’t show up to vote for Harris.

Yes, that’s hard to swallow, I agree. Maybe it’s because the last vote happened with Corona in the backdrop? Maybe Trumps many Errors where much more fresh on the mind of so many. Maybe inflation kept people from trusting the Democrats. Maybe some just won’t vote for a female. Or a black person. Or, god forbid, both. Lots of possible reasons. I do think we should try to understand them and filter them on in the future.

This is the most politicized election we’ve had in over a century, nobody didn’t hear about this.

Yes, but that means you also listen to 2 party’s accusing one another of beeing the devil / literaly Hitler for one year plus. I see how people who are not that interested in politics can get numb to this.

because by the time I woke up after election night everyone had already decided none of the Dems showed up and Trump had won, when according to gov websites the final vote tally and certification isn’t even until mid December.

This realy sound exactly what republicans said in 2020.

I’ve never seen election results get called so early that I can remember.

That’s because they were realy very obvious this time. It didn’t come down to just a couple of votes in swingstates like in 2020.

According to this 2016, 2012 and 2008 where called on simular schedules or earlier. 2020 was an outline because of the amount of mail in votes.

I saw three different news stories about conservatives setting ballot boxes on fire. Our gerrymandering maps are so bad they can be confused for TV static from a distance. Millions of people had their voting registration purged by state level conservatives weeks or days before the election.

All of there are fair points, and they should be handled in two ways: Take evidence to the courts where illegal things happend. And try to change the system where fraud has been made legal.

Regarding both points i think it is a very real possibility that the window to deal with them is past and the Trump administration will solidify and widen them. This might have been our last fair election.

My only hope is that it goes like last time and they are at each other’s throuts for 4 years or just to incompetent to do to much that has lasting damaged. But I’m not betting on that. I think this time they will come prepared. And it will be the end of America as it is now.

Ah yes, it’s exactly the same with no differences,

Not what I said.

surely Trump isn’t known to be a cheat and a liar

I think it need more than one person to cheat on this scale, no?

Surely he hasn’t stated publicly his intentions to cheat the election.

He hasn’t. He said they need no more votes. You are taking thins one thing he said and pretending it’s “intention to cheat the election.”. Which is simply not true. It could also mean that he is sure he will win, because he thinks he has got all the states he needs on his side. I’m sure there are more interpretations. But that’s all it is.

No, he’s a perfect human being

Never said that.

we’re all just shouting about voter fraud because we’re stupid.

Never said that. Your angry, hurt, what ever. Emotional. And I understand that. I’m absolutely devasted by this shit. And I see how one might jump to conspiracy thinking in such a situation. I just don’t think it helps, so I’ll call it what it is. Not to attack you, as a person, or to call you names. Just because I don’t think it’s helpful.

I think we (as in “the left”) should try to base our opinions on facts and not repeat the shit the right is doing all the time, throwing baseless accusations around.

Ah, so now it’s time for baseless accusations from our side, yes?

As long as there is no proof this is as much a conspiration theory as the the bullshit the right was spewing about in 2020.

No, not true. They are saying that this time they knew to watch close, so the Democrats couldn’t pull of the same fraud as 2020. They are indeed stating that it is “supisious” that 13 Million Democratic voices where nowhere to be seen this time around, taking that as proof they were right all along.

That’s how this works. You take reality and then make it mean what you want it to mean. So that’s their take in regards to voter fraud.

Sort of, ay.

The judge said Kurtaj’s skills and desire to commit cyber-crime meant he remained a high risk to the public.

He will remain at a secure hospital for life unless doctors deem him no longer a danger.

The court heard that Kurtaj had been violent while in custody with dozens of reports of injury or property damage.

Doctors deemed Kurtaj unfit to stand trial due to his severe autism so the jury was asked to determine whether or not he committed the alleged acts - not if he did so with criminal intent.

I agree, if you feel it is affecting your mental health you should by all means take care of yourself and avoid it. I can understand how this is sensible.