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  • Skua@kbin.socialtotumblr@lemmy.worldSSDE
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    6 months ago

    So your hope is that by threatening to not vote, you and likeminded voters will get Biden to change his positions sufficiently for you to vote for him before the election? That’s not what you said in your first comment, and you being only one person is equally applicable to this or to what I said.

    Why be mad at a social media account, when you’re apparently not mad at Biden?

    Who said I’m not pissed at Biden? But I’m not talking to Biden right now.

    All he has to do, is listen to his voters.

    If you are stating you won’t vote for him, you’re not his voter.

    If he can’t do that now, why does he deserve either of our votes?

    It doesn’t matter if he deserves it or not, unfortunately. I’ve already put forward my position that in FPTP, you effectively do not vote for someone, you vote against someone.





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    6 months ago

    Only if you never think more than an election ahead.

    So how many elections are you expecting that the Dems must lose in order to start fielding candidates you like, or for another party that does so to take their place? It doesn’t matter how many they lose if it never moves the needle your way, so you’ll have to be quite persuasive that this will achieve something that’s worth capitulating to the American right for a decade or longer.

    How is that different than what lead the Republican party to trump?

    Because of the actual outcomes during the four years between each election and the fact that you can protest and write and whatever else you want for improvement during that time. Your vote does have to be your entire political engagement.

    Does this suck? Yes. Does the Republicans winning do literally anything to fix any of it? No. For that you need the Overton window to shift so far that the Republican party dies and the new two-party system has the Dems on the right, or you need a new electoral system. Neither of these is accomplished by the Dems losing.

    Why do you think it’ll be different this time?

    I don’t think it’ll be different this time because the candidates have already been picked. We already both know what the options are. Unfortunately, “no different” is a lot better than the other option. That’s why I’m advocating voting for damage control on the day. Vote against the worst option, because that’s how FPTP works.






  • Skua@kbin.socialtotumblr@lemmy.worldSSDE
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    6 months ago

    I think you’ve misunderstood me. Last time the Democrats lost an election, you got Joe Biden as the next candidate. Why would making the Dems lose this election produce a more progressive candidate?



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    6 months ago

    The fact that trump has won 50% of his elections and looks to be 2/3 in a few months should make everyone reconsider the quality of candidates we’re running against him.

    After the Dems last lost an election, you got Biden as your next candidate. Why are you expecting this approach to suddenly produce a candidate you would like?


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    6 months ago

    I think you should vote for someone you believe in, rather than voting for someone who is not someone else

    This would be the ideal situation, but for so long as we have first-past-the-post it’s a fundamentally ineffective way to vote. Thanks to Duverger’s law, unless one of the two big parties just so happens to coincide with your views then the best you can do is to vote against whichever of the big two you dislike most. “Big two” here depends on your constituency - it may not be Labour and the Conservatives locally, but it is true that virtually every constituency has at most two realistic options. Labour may not be very good, but if they’re in power it’s probably at minimum going to make this a better place for asylum seekers and trans people (or whoever the Tories would go after next), and Labour’s voting record on the environment really is far better than the Conservatives’ too.