Sorry, maybe i’m a little ignorant but, why do you say this is a “mass murderer fanclub”?

Far right nutjob? Crypto bro? That is what I have been hearing… Can’t say for sure, though.

Thank you for the quick answer. Okay, so yesterday Milei attended the WEF conference at Davos where he denounced the “woke” agenda, compared homosexuality with children sexual abuse, defended Elon Musk who just a few days prior did a NAZI SALUTE on Trump’s Inauguration… This has been a very weird week here in Argentina.

The atrocities of the military are not to be forgotten, but I personally do believe it is not their obligation to apologize for their blood

It is not that it is an obligation for her to apologize. She should not be trying to destroy 40 years of good policy making for remembrance by denying what the military did, what the context was.

I agree with you that the economic stability is good. Now, will it last? Are the circunstances good enough for the economy to re ignite itself? Because we have to take into account that we have a mostly frozen economy. We need to know if we can overstep the curve and get more job stability, less poverty. It is not that easy to do. He did got inflation to get as low as he could. Was it all he had to do? Not in the slightest, and those who payed for it were majorly common working class citizens. Also, big companies have augmented their revenue a lot in this year. Nevertheless, the point still stands on what will happen. That I’m not sure.

And I need to be abundantly clear, I’d love for the country to get better and de-stagnate. But I fear it could give rise to disproportionate amounts of power being redirected to the officialism party (which is composed of neo-nazis, genocide deniers, corporate leaders, flat earthers, religious maniacs) and violence being practiced in more physical ways to political opposition via legislative elections this week. Democracy is the will of the people, but it shouldn’t be possible to make things undemocratic or give power to those who do not respect those institutions. We will see. I hope i’m wrong.

Hi, sorry that it took me so long to answer this one. Hmmm. I understand your point about the severance, but I need to underscore that even if it’s legal, it does not mean it is the right way to solve the situation. The severances are indiscriminate, not accounting really if the worker is good or not. And are motivated on ideologies much more than efficiency. For example, most of the “chainsaw” as he call his austerity measures, are done on the public healthcare system, public education system, and such. He is even withdrawing funding from Memory Sites (places where the 76’ dictatorship executed, tortured, raped, kidnapped the oposition). But it is not cutting funding from the executive branches, legislative branches or judicial branches of the government, and also is trying to privatize many state-owned companies. Just like the dictatorship did…

In case of the app thing, well, it is the second time it has done this.

Economically speaking there seems to be stability. Now, how much it will last, I can’t say. People are poorer now than in the last 20 years, prices still are skyhigh in much of the basic goods, at least in my understanding, and salaries have not matched yet the inflation the shock measures released. So workers are still losing economic power. Also, companies have more benefits (mostly not good for workers).

His agenda as I see it is selling the country to the highest bidder, basically. Being a Social Conservative, he just is a apathetic being who does not give a single flying fvck about those who are not in a comfortable position capable of resisting the measures. Nor he cares about upholding the Memory Thruth and Justice legacy we made this 40+ years. Hiis government is mostly composed of ex-neonazis, fascists, orthodox catholics (and surprisingly, orthodox jews in at least a few cases), anti-communist, etc.

The Vice-President is a woman. The daughter of a military men who refused to uphold democracy’s values and apologize for what the government did to the people during the “Dirty War”. A history revisionist who believes that the systematic kidnapping, torture, killing of the oposition, theft of newborns and rape commited by the state thugs, military, police, death squads were warranted in the fight against “subversion” and marxists.

This is my view, at least. Other Argentinians might differ slightly or more with me, and I’am a leftist, so bias might exist as with any other person. What i’m saying is not to discredit my opinion, but to help you grasp where i’m coming from. That is not to say I can’t be wrong.

Hello there again. I agree with your POVs. But, if you don’t mind, I’d like to clarify. While I agree that he has done some movements in order to decrease state job abuse, he has done it in a way which left 150.000 families without a job. That a lot of people sadly. He also took down a law put in place by Macri’administration to prevent nepotism. Most of the shock has been applied to the working class, the elders, etc. In fact, he lowered the Personal Goods tax, which made the upper class less taxable and re-issued the Gains Tax, with a formula that applied to workers who have “high” salaries.

The app thing, happened twice. First in the instance you mention. A phone line to denounce corruption, bribing and coercion from syndicates and unions was established, yes, but it had nothing to do with the app. The app just launched a message that said to users how the unions aren’t in favor of the working class people and such. If you are interested, I think I have screenshots of it.

On the economic front (which I admit it’s the best partbof his government given the results), yes, estabilization and stopping inflation were achieved, but as I said, through the suffering of the working class. Milei boast about salaries being better in dollars. What I believe he does not say is that not only most people receive the salarys in pesos, but most people didn’t have an inflation adjustement on its salary. So people’s power to consume decreased a lot.

This cultural war thingy he always goes on ramblin’ about it’s more of “ancap meets reality” where he is not so liberal but a social conservative. And those two things don’t go hand in hand at least when we talk about social stuff. Also, while I understand his rethoric and character may derive from defending his (very unfounded and wacky, in my opinion) ideals, it is not acceptable to be ushering insults at everyone who thinks different than you.

In case of Congress, one senator was expulsed after being caught with an undeclared 200.000usd crossing from Argentina to Paraguay. And would’nt you know it, it’s the senator elected by Peronism who approved of the “Ley Bases” which allowed the vicepresident to add his vote (in order to break a tie) and pass the law. Strange.

Well, I think I added enough context. I expect your answer! Hope you have a great day and thank you for being so respectful and curious about what is happening. We could see things differently, but as long as we can talk about issues and be open about them, we’re on our way to make the world a better place, at least for us. I know it sounds cheesy, but I believe that most of all this we talked about could have been prevented by people being vocal about their opinions and willing to debate more than just closing up and insulting others.

Hi! Ok. There is a lot to unpack. First of all, thank you for your kind wprds. And for being so interested in the topic.

A year of Milei can be sintetized with “he made impressive economic feats… which were paid for by the working class”.

It is true, inflation is down, prices are more stable, dollars are stable also. He did a lot. I would be praising him if not for the fact that the working class got to, again, pay the bills of the capitalists.

In his campaign, he promised that the " caste", a vague invented group composed of mostly politicians and businessmans, would pay the price of the exonomic shock and also would be on the receiving end of the harsher policoes, if you will. That, however, as many of us in the left knew, wasn’t gonna happen. And it did not. So, the economics part was real, but he lied on the basic premise of his campaign winning argument.

Then, we have the social dimension of his government. And here is worse: he rules by decree instead of by consensus, mischaracterises every politocian or entity that disagrees with him as corrupt, bad,lobbied, communist, socialist, leftist, etc. 1 in 3 protests are repressed by police ilegally (the methods are illegal, properly speaking). He made it easier for his followers to be more violent, regularly demosntrates disdain for LGBT folks, leftists, and so on.

He does not exhibit any apparent understanding of how democracies are supposed to work, with his party bribing congressmans for votes, even when the laws thay propose are unconstitutional. They are also using state mobile apps as propaganda for the government.

It’s 4am here, so sorry if I sound a little all over the place. This is my view. I’d advise to research more on this, via different nws source taht have different editorial lines, as to avoid getting only one point of view of the topics I talked about.

All in all, economic fixes are worth nothing, in my opinion, if the working class gets destroyed and the rich get more and more rich.

I understand and agree. But being complicit and helping the genocide (and basically enabling it by not saying it is one out loud) could be considered evil.

Now, Biden may not be evil. But it’s foreign policy in this regard might be.

Still, the genocide will be carried out. But enabling it does not help. And I say it again. If Biden is evil, it does not matter. It is better than Trump. You do not need to portray him in a good light. He just needs to be supported more than Trump. Vote Biden.

We Argentinians elected a fascist as president. I can and would have got behind the right if it meant stopping this pos.

I understand where are you coming from. But you honestly believe that a person that enables genocide abroad isn’t evil?

That is a good question. But still, not a gotcha. Communism does not mean centrally controlled food supply. A lot of man made famines have existed in the history of mankind, yet this is the only one that gets used to demonize a socio-political system. To be fair, im not invested in the history of Ukraine nor the Soviet Union to explain the details of what happened. Although it is possible that what you mention has a good amount of merit in the situation, never are this things so clear. I guess it was a factor, but how big, I can not tell right now.

As a South American who had to choose between right and extreme right, being a leftist, I completely understand the frustration about voting Biden. And what’s more, agree completely he does not deserve to be voted. But, in order to defeat fascism and with all other cards now played, Biden is the lesser of two evils and taking the moral high ground could result on fascism taking over the USA. I suggest voting for Biden. My two cents…

No one denies Holodomor. It happened. The funny thing is you can’t fully point at it with your finger and say “it happened cause communism” but most genocides the US did can and will be pointed at with the “that’s cause capitalism”.

Of course it was horrible. Of course it should not happen again. And should not have happened. But it is not the gotcha you think it is.

Also, you’ll surely understand that Soviet Communism in that specific period is not the only type of communism that existed, right?

I agree that porn is not good for the brain. And i tends to portray women as submissive. Still, i do not believe it is necesary to ban it outright in this way. What a weird legislation.

Sounds like something the far right would encourage. If it is only in Madrid, well, you should know about Isabel Diaz Ayuso.

I do not see anything Milei does a new.

Literally an argument used by Mileists here. And also conservatives.

We could start by agreeing on the definition of the term. Because 30s fascism is no more, and that is a fact. What constitutes fascism in todays world? As an Argentinian, the USA meddled with my country via dictatorship whthin operation Condor. That amounts to fascism, or at least, a subtype of it. I think Frank Zappa warned us about this…

There are illegal migrants in every country. Why should the far right be voted on one issue alone. It’s not like their other policies are good (and i’ll put my hand on fire to say that I’m pretty sure it’s inmigration policy will be bad too)

Well, then we’re inside the TV my friend!

Reminds me of that Simpsons episode with Homer’s step-brother being a rich automaker and such…

Oh, I learned plenty, and not from Islamic centered resources. But you wouldn’t be able to discern it because you are speaking from hate, not from facts. Besides, there are many jewish academics who support Palestine and are against the genocide of Palestinians. And neither they nor I claim that supporting them is antisemitic or that it requires the genocide of the Israeli people. Only someone with a warped and dellusional understanding of history could make the claims you make.