Perhaps you might examine the various way in which queer people in general have been marginalized by labelling all their activities as obscene and sexual. For example, you might take the example of teachers in Florida who are in a same-sex marriage being prohibited from mentioning their marriage lest they be sanctioned for sexual content, while teachers in straight marriages were under no such restrictions. Similarly, the existence of queer people itself has been deemed so sexual by some that even mentioning to a child who is struggling with their identity that queer people exist has been called–in all absence of reason–child abuse.

If you can take those example, and then consider that your perspective of furries, much like homo- and transphobes’ perspective of queer people, is skewed to view it as entirely sexual despite all the parts that aren’t and classify the parts that would be normal sexuality in any other subgroup as deviant. This, as you might be able to deduce, can be quite restrictive of those people’s “allowed” place in society.

Sorry, were you around for the past several elections? Perhaps the 2020 elections where, upon the progressives banding with Biden to get him elected with the expectation that we would be able to “push him to the left”, the Democratic party decided that the reason they didn’t win more seats was because Progressives had damaged their chances of winning, and they must be marginalized. Or perhaps the 2016 elections where, the target of a long running hate campaign was preferred by the party over the popular progressive candidate who was then blamed for his supporters not being won over. Or the 2012 elections where the incumbent Democrat failed to deliver on progressive policies and was a high water mark for drone strikes, but progressives helped bring the win over the candidate Republicans weren’t excited for.

I voted for Harris in hopes that she’d beat out Trump despite how much she and Biden before her discarded progressive policy. I was under no expectation of Progressives being able to do a damn thing to reach her.

Please recognize that other people in this thread are doing those things while you, separately, are merely deriding furries. And while they may not be wholly queer, there is a lot of queer people who are furries and, apparently, a least one study found that two-thirds of furries are queer. And, yes, as it happens “theatre kids” are often queer, and recognizing that a lot of homophobia is directed at theatre folk because it can be an space for queer people to safely explore their identity is somewhat important.

I appreciate that they and their personal community is in pain at this moment, but I don’t think they were justified in calling me and mine cowardly and hopelessly sheltered because I personally live in relative safety and am struggling with the helplessness of being unable to make enough of an impact to my government was called for. I don’t want me and mine to go through such pain, but I am increasingly concerned that we will not be able to avoid it.

I have people that I’m working with on the local scene who could not bring themselves to vote for Harris, even with how awful they knew Trump to be. I was able to vote, but I understand why they could and know that they still get out and do the work

Being disappointed by Democrats is unfortunately nothing new for me. Two decades of it under my belt so far.

Yeah, and what they’ve been doing to Rashida Tlaib has been sickening me. I have so much respect for what she’s been doing, and seeing the Democratic Party trying to villainize her and her constituents has been disheartening.

Clearly, no queer person has ever adopted a flamboyant persona and worn elaborately designed costumes.

I’m all over this comment chain. It rather bothers me seeing this kind of bigotry get deployed against a queer subculture, and a rather long standing one, because it’s the same oppression that gets put on us from the outside, and it is especially galling when I see queer people do it to other queer people. I presume that TERF lesbians calling trans people “predatory men invading women’s spaces and misguided sisters” is something you can’t stand at least as much as I do? Please recognize that painting furries as sexual degenerates is the same thing. Maybe I’m at a nexus of the gay furry community, but so many of the queer people in my locale are also part of the furry subculture, and, no, their existence is not purely sexual, and, yes, furry is a pretty core aspect of their identity and culture.

Oh, indeed. I’m sure you have a tight five about identifying as a helicopter you’re just dying to share with us.

And now the pivot from furries to trans people. I am utterly shocked that this would be the case.

Another day, another sensationalization of the sexual aspects of a queer subcultures. If it’s not the “inherent sexualization of discussing gay people”, or trans people as "autogynephillia and autoandrophillia’, it’s furries or kink at pride. It’s really disheartening hearing the same tools of oppression being deployed over and over again.

Tell me you don’t know queer subcultures without telling me you don’t know queer subcultures. Would you like to complain about drag shows while you’re at it? I hear it is very in vogue at the moment.

That hasn’t been my experience of Democrats so much as them using “at least we aren’t as bad a the Republicans” as justification for not pushing to stop harm, holding to the status quo as hard as they can and “courageously” voting with the Republicans to “save” something while dismantling something else. It seems like the lionizing of mediocrity.

With respect, I do not believe that you are describing me here. I have friends and family effected by several issues, and who–if not lamenting their lost loved one–are in fear of losing either their loved ones or their own life. I am indeed in what I consider (hope?) to be a relatively safe part of the US where my state may go as far as to protect my friends, family and self from what the incoming administration has already said it wishes to do to me and mine. I am trying very hard to ensure the people around me are safe, and I hope that these efforts bear fruit for my community.

I worked to the very last moment of the election to encourage Harris to come out in support of the Palestinians and, to my growing horror as the election progressed, the other victims of the growing conflict. I even did the “harm reduction” of voting for Harris’ plan of gentle chastisement over the outright support and encouragement of Trump’s, for all the good that my vote did.

I will not apologize for my family and friends continued survival and not yet having lost anyone to my knowledge, and will not wish it on them. I hope that you or your loved ones do not experience more loss, and have the space to recover as much as possible from that which you have already experienced. And may we all make it through the hate and violence that have been planned and that those that claimed to stand against it actually do so when it matters.

Nah, I’ve been doing local organizing and worrying about more than just the top of the ticket, and even past the elections. I supported the Uncommitted movement and was hoping that Harris would actually capitalize on the moment she had when she took over, and, yeah, I cast my vote for her for all the good it did. It’s fucking sicking seeing so many sneer at the movement, and pat themselves on the back for having the moral superiority for voting for “the right person” while making so little of what is supposed to make them the right person happen. Being so unconcerned that the person they are so self congratulatory about was saying they would do the awful things and work with the awful people they’ve been saying are the greater of the two evils.

Genuinely, why did the Democrats go so hard on the anti-immigration policy and cozy up with Liz “I am strongly pro-life and I am not pro-gay marriage” Cheney? How were they expecting to sell people on the lesser of two evils when they were trying to become what they thought “moderate Republicans” would vote for? I’ve done this song and dance with the Dems for two decades now. I know they don’t value me, because they know I don’t have another option in the race, but how am I supposed to be excited myself, let alone campaign at others and get them excited for another round of getting sold out?

I’ll be sure to remember that when, in the spirit of bipartisanship, Democrats vote to remove my husband’s access to HRT or revoke my cousins’ citizenship because one of their parents was an Arab immigrant.

I’m sure that will be of great comfort to me watching the Democratic party continue to capitulate to the Right over the next four years.

Can you tell me what my vote for Harris did? I got to vote for “less genocide” and get “more genocide”. Clearly, it was very important for Harris to keep out Palestinian- and Arab-Americans in swing states and bring in Republicans. Can you help me understand how that was supposed to win the most important election of all time where Republicans are planning on genociding everyone not them?

For whatever reason, when I’m hearing about Dems in the swing state I’m in, I’m hardly ever hearing why you should be excited to vote for the Dem candidate, but instead why the Rep candidate is so awful that you simply must vote Dem to stop them. Like, there was about a week(?) that Harris and Walz seemed to be coming out of the gate going “we’re gonna be so awesome, don’t even worry about the weirdos on the other side”, but then it became “please, it is of Vital Importance you do not vote for Trump, we promise Harris will be better than him”, and I just don’t understand why they changed.

If the Uncommitted movement had tens of millions of registered voters come together and pledge to vote Harris if and only if she took a harder stance on Israel, that might have helped.

… are you familiar with what the Uncommitted National Movement was asking for? Like, half of Lemmy is bashing the Uncommitteds for the 15m vote difference between Biden in 2020 and Harris in 2024.

Like, do you get that Listen to Michigan alone got 101k Uncommitted votes in the Michigan Dem Primary to Biden’s 618k? That they had a stated goal of “an immediate and permanent ceasefire”? That there were Uncommitted delegates to the Democratic National Convention that were denied the opportunity to speak at the convention? That the there were protests outside the DNC demanding the Uncommitted movement be allowed to speak?

Which part of this is failing at being the movement you’re saying the DNC would listen to? If the 15m gap is truly completely at the feet of the Uncommitted, then what are you saying was the reason that the DNC cut them out of their strategy?

There is a lot of “invisible” work that party orgs do. If you want to see why big names and attention alone don’t work, look at the Green Party. They have name recognition, ballot access and even get a bit of the vote each presidential election. What they’re missing is the “ground game” that gives the presence in nearly every race in every precinct, and the local engagement to actually win an appreciable chunk of elections every year (not just the presidential years).