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  • trashgirlfriend@lemmy.worldtoMemes@lemmy.ml•But "socialism" is a scary word
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    23 days ago

    Socialist economies are determined by which form of production is primary in an economy, and in the USSR post-NEP this was public ownership and central planning.

    This doesn’t mean it wasn’t commodity production.

    Socialist from a Marxian analysis, the ownership being the public and therefore the Proletariat, not some obscure “ownership class” that has no bearing in Marxist analysis.

    Not even but you’re too deep in the kool-aid to even understand your own prophet.

    The Proletarian State is the tool of class oppression against the bourgeoisie.

    And yet, it was a tool of oppression against the proletariat.

    Turns out that the state and capital are one and the same, and when you try to use a system of oppression to liberate someone, it doesn’t work out.

    This is traditional Marxism, the public owning the MoP is the hallmark of Socialism, and the Proletarian State withers with respect to how collectivized production has become.

    “Actually, worker control of the MoP is when a very tiny political elite decides how the MoP is used.”

    And of course, the fabled “withering of the state” which can be seen by how the late USSR oligarchy withered into the Russian Federation mafia state!

    Marx was certainly no Anarchist

    Take a drink every time a tankie randomly stays this.

    there can be no Marxism without Public Ownership and

    Marx was pretty vague about central planning in his writing in general, and there are arguments that he could have been opposed to it later in his life, this is however irrelevant.

    I cannot emphasize enough that I do not care about Marxism, it’s a useful tool for analysis of capital, but Marx lived and died in the 1800s.

    It’s time for the socialist movement to move on forward, we can synthesize the old with new information and analysis which waa gained throughout the last 150 years, and create better systems and theories.

    The endless discussion on what the “prophet” Marx and Engels wanted us to do are fucking poinltess and furthermore incredibly boring and played out.

  • trashgirlfriend@lemmy.worldtoMemes@lemmy.ml•But "socialism" is a scary word
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    23 days ago

    That’s something you can write a book about.

    In my opinion it has to come from a bottom up movement, that puts emphasis on the sort of types of organization a socialist movement ultimately aims for.

    The Leninists tried to disconnect the means and the ends of the movement, using the tools of the bourgeoisie to try and build a new system, which failed.