I really, really want to see that Oreo meme you’re talking about.

Also about not wanting to be tied down. I totally get it. You know what fixes that? Co-operative housing. Some links: https://campus.coop/ (Toronto) https://www.nasco.coop/ (North America) https://www.studenthomes.coop/ (United Kingdom)

These are housing cooperatives for the most mobile population: students. And you know what? No need for landlords what so ever, while still providing location mobility and the possibility of hiring an external management team or (using democracy) elect amongst yourselves. Again disproving your very point.

I really like housing cooperatives but we have way too few of them. As a young professional moving between cities it would be great.

What do you get from a landlord owning housing as opposed to housing cooperatives? (This is the [only] question I want you to answer)

I can tell you what you get from cooperatives that you don’t get from landlords. You don’t have to pay for an ROI for the landlord. That is it. Same maintenance costs. Similar price for home to start but better for the inhabitants.

Do you realize how much money a billion dollars is?

Not relevant, stop using billionaires as a shield.

One class above another, like a walk up a hill – and then the billionaire class is on a fucking space station. Again, I’m reminded of the Oreos meme.

Again not relevant. To use your metaphore I don’t want a space station and I don’t want a hill. You on the other hand want a hill (and you being the king on the hill) but no space station. I say no to both.

Again I want that Oreos meme.

Well it’s not. So make that a reality before attacking people for trying to better their situation.

Well maybe it would be if people who “invest” in real estate don’t oppose increasing or bettering social insurance. Those who are the biggest proponents of real estate investors are the biggest opponents of social insurance. Social insurance comes from general taxation of working people. Those people (like you) want to move the money working people pay to taxes for general social insurance and instead pay all that money towards rent that landlords (like you) control. You are literally moving money from general social insurance to your own pockets. And both young people and actual poor old people suffer. You do not oppose tyranny. You want to become the tyrant.

Another option is a Community Land Trust (CLT). Community owned land which is similar but under a different structure with a wider ownership structure. https://www.communityland.ca/ (Canada)

And guess what? With CLTs you can actually invest yourself if you don’t live inside it, because a broader ownership structure and you don’t have to be a landlord. Awesome!!! Oh wow!

Try it in your city! Here’s one from mine https://www.oclt.ca/invest/ (Ottawa, ON, Canada)

Well .NET is dead now so I guess .COM and .ORG are dead too?

I think I need to tune the controller manually to properly control overshoot.

That’s too bad. I’m only old enough to only remember McGuinty, Wyne, and Ford.

Bars

The original press release from MIT news is here: https://news.mit.edu/2023/using-ai-mit-researchers-identify-antibiotic-candidates-1220

Paper the press release refers to: https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/153216

The lab this is being worked on: https://www.collinslab.mit.edu/

The paper as listed on the lab’s website: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5c264953620b850c9fb03732/t/658331812865e60a33af40ea/1703096709558/nature_wong.pdf

The audacious project: https://www.audaciousproject.org/grantees/collins-lab

I think we should cultivate a habit of linking to the original material

Well even though rumors aren’t as good as the real thing. There’s been no such discussion in Ottawa

My brother in BC used it to get a really good ebike.

I live in Ontario though :(

I need to get me some of that!

I think it’s both?

1. Send link to her but it doesn’t work because it’s only available on the local machine
2. Show the website by first opening the downloads folder then clicking the website

You can bring your device to people. Most people use laptops now instead of desktops

htttps://lemmy.ca

I just say they have two parts to them. The working part and the owning part.

The working part works on the business and without it the business does not survive.

However the owning part is the part expecting an roi.

The goal of the small business owner is to separate the working and owning parts of themselves.

This fully happens when they hire employees, enough of them for themnot to work.

Then the small business owner is just an owner and their employees are the working class.

Bourgeois = owning class

Proletariat = working class

If you get income from owning (stocks [dividends, capital gains], landlords [rent]) = owning class

If you get income from working (hourly wage, salary) = working class

I think that should work. What do you think?

If passive income you getting income without working then who’s working without income.

This whole thread thoroughly convinced me of george’s ideas.

As Adam Smith said

As soon as the land of any country has all become private property, the landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for its natural produce

If you have half the population each have 1 investment property. You must have the other half renters. You literally want to create two classes. Those with investment properties and those with no property. One class above another. You’re just using billionaires as a shield. You want to put yourself in a class above other people.

We should all work so that each person has one home.

And the “I don’t want to work until I die” should be covered by social insurance/social security instead of making someone else a renter.

Where did the landlord get the starter home? What if the seller refused to sell but just rent out instead what would he do then?

You contradicted yourself. Op can’t get a starter home but the starter home he would have bought is held hostage by the “smol” landlord. Pick one.

Absolutely. And you can get real estate exposure by buying REITs.

Good point but the upgradability is important to

Don’t make your problems everyone else’s.

You can just buy a REIT.

Imagine the contractor that works for a REIT. Should they get full rent because they broke their the same way as you? Or hourly, just like my roommate?

You get the rent because you’re a landlord, not because you work hard.

If working hard on a property, instead of owning it, meant getting all of the high rents then the REITs’ contractor should be collecting rents instead of the REITs but that obviously doesn’t happen.

Don’t defend landlording. Oppose it, you can still be one, but just oppose it.

Would you make the same if you sank all of your money in investments and work a second job as a contractor? Same story but different results?

If you had long term tenants and but they owned the property but contracted you? You would still work hard and be compensated for the work isn’t that enough? If the work the justification for your rental income then why not just be a contractor instead of an owner? And better yet leave the owning part to the people who live there.