Please enlighten me as well. I’m confused.

It is overwhelmingly clear that you are not arguing in good faith. You are trying to argue points I explicitly said I am not arguing or discussing. But I will explain again. I will also use the word image instead of post to make it more clear what I mean, just in case that was confusing you.

Let us break this down.

It’s overwhelmingly clear that you need to do more legwork to prove that that user genuinely thinks there is no credit score

I have never tried to prove this. I said that the image claims that there is no system for social credit score. I do not equate the image to users in general. I even suspect that this image could be fake.

and is not directly responding to the Orwellian version.

Was I not clear enough? I am not discussing anything about any version of the system in question, only it’s existance. Image says it does not exist, we both agree that it does. Again, I am not saying anything about how it works or how it is perceived.

This is clearly taking a dogmatic reading of one sentence to come up with the absurd claim that Chinese citizens believe that publicly stated policy doesn’t actually exist.

You are right, it would be an absurd claim to make, one that I am not trying to make. I am trying to point out that the image claims something to be true. We both agree that this is not true, or are you going to say at the system does not exist now?

I also said that I believe this some form of propaganda, but that does not have mean that I endorse or refute any claim regarding the west part of the world’s view on this matter.

Please discuess my arguments. Please refrain from “attacking” points I explicitly said I was not making.

The western depiction simply does not exist.

I can and will not argue this point since I lack the proper knowledge on the subject.

We all agree on the fact that a system exists.
From the post:

“Social credit. We don’t have this at all” is a lie. Again, I am not saying anything about how to system works or how it is preceived. I am saying that it exists and the post claimed it does not, nothing else.

That makes it propaganda to me.

TL;DR:

1. The post claims that something that exists does not. This is a fact.
2. I believe this to be propaganda in some form. This is an opinion.

It’s besides the point how it is talked about. The Second screenshot literally says “Social credit. We don’t have this at all” and your link very much proves that they do. Therefore propaganda in my eyes.

https://proton.me/support/android

We don’t currently integrate Proton Mail with third-party email clients on Android. Third-party email clients for Android are not capable of the encryption and decryption processes Proton Mail performs.

https://proton.me/support/ios-iphone

Third-party email clients for iOS are not capable of the encryption and decryption processes Proton Mail performs to keep your data safe

They do lock you in on handheld devices but that seems to be a consequence of the fact that they are storing all emails encrypted on the server. After reading this link (“[…]Since IMAP can’t decrypt your emails[…]”), I agree that they are just implementing PGP with an extra steps and creating an unneeded layer (the bridge).

The reason I would not compare it to XMPP is because they are still using SMTP. It is when they stop using SMTP or force others to use something else that I would be very worried.

It’s always interesting when someone claims something that goes against the norm on the internet, they might know something that I do not. That was not the case today, unfortunately.

Any generic IMAP/SMPT provider + Thunderbird + PGP will provide the same level of security that Proton does - that is assuming they didn’t mess their client-side encryption/decryption or key storage in some way.

And isn’t that the point? I don’t have time nor do I want to learn about PGP and how to encrypt email. Someone sells that service, great. And it is not like I cannot send normal emails to anyone else. They are using the same standard, not some made up version of SMTP (when sending to other servers, I assume any email from client A to client B both being Proton customer never leave their server, so no need for a new protocol).

Proton is doing to e-mail about the same that WhatsApp and Messenger did to messaging - instead of just using an open protocol like XMPP they opted for their closed thing in order to lock people into their apps

Proton themself provides a way to export emails in a decrypted format. It is even cross platform. https://proton.me/support/proton-mail-export-tool And all they do is open source, here is the code for their mail server: https://proton.me/support/proton-mail-export-tool. They seem to be using ordinary standards, but what do I know?

I cannot agree with you and I do not think your arguments holds, I would even go as far as to say that they are flawed (example being claiming “closed thing” while being fully open source using open standards). It seems to me that they have something that people are willing to pay money for. You are not one of them (nor am I).

I don’t personally use them as an email provider because of the limit on how many domains they allow as a standard.

What is wrong Proton and their marketing?

Don’t have SD but I use xpad neo on popos on laptop, solved the problem for me. Might be worth checking out.

I read it as snark/sarcasm. Like they are adding something that already should be.

This is a comment worth saving.

Meanwhile in Sweden:

Source

Are we though? My RPI uses a SD card and is labels it as sd and the same is true for virtual machines.

It is not

A bit of a hyperbole, but for the sake of this discussion, let’s say there is a house and no one can afford it but me. If I don’t buy it and rent it, no one can live in it. What would be the right thing to do?

I find LLM’s great for creating shorter snippets of code. It can also be great as a starting point or to get started with something that you are not familiar with.

That’s my problem with Apple. They hide all files, treating is as a magic box with an incredible search function. But it prevents the user from understanding, and thus learning.

Yeah, okey. That makes sense. I would be difficult to hide the intrusion if you can’t move the zippers.

It’s in the video how he closes it again to remove the evidence. https://youtu.be/wpIJVWXsBBI?t=93

I started marketing soup and such. Lentils, beans, anythings is mostly viable and much more filling.