There are no refugees fleeing either country, the borders are locked down and heavily militarized.
The people who do cross the border with visas are very few and only get access via special approval such as if they have family or business due to closeness to the border.
Pakistan doesn’t even accept refugees as citizens anymore because they don’t ever expect anyone to come from India.
The joke is that Pakistan’s founders claimed a united India would never last because it would fall to the Hindu majority who would nationilze around their identity and oppress everyone else which is exactly what happend. And not just with Muslims, the Sikh as well who get frequently blamed for public outrage and protests.
This all happening just gives credit for Pakistan’s purpose because it is a separate country that was created with the intent of avoiding explained problem by being a separate entity and moving all the Muslims there. For its purpose of avoiding being an oppressed minority, it succeded.
Although I do think they should reopen the border and let the remaining Muslim population in India easily move seeing as they are at the hands of Modi who was already involved in a Massacre not even 2 decades ago.
fall to the Hindu majority who would nationilze around their identity and oppress everyone else which is exactly what happend
It’s not even close to that. For sure there needs to be big improvements in minority rights but it’s not even close to what Pakistan (and Bangladesh) are. India is heavily flawed but still has a functional democracy and secular state while not a single PM in Pakistan has completed a full term. Lol like they are not even comparable. If anything, India is an achievement of secularism and a good example of why you should separate the church and state.
just gives credit for Pakistan’s purpose
Now that is a circular argument because the nationalists say “look at Pakistan and Bangladesh, Muslims got that, why aren’t we getting one?”. So creation of Pakistan is what gives credit to their argument.
For its purpose of avoiding being an oppressed minority, it succeded.
Did they? Do Pakistani Muslims lead better life than Indian Muslims?
It’s a lot close to that. India is fastly moving towards an authoritarian fascist rule. Pakistan has better media index than India & that says something . So no wonder you don’t know what you are talking about. Is persecution of journalists democratic?. India is far worse in minority treatment than Bangladesh and if you feel better comparing yourself to Pakistan, keep doing it. Your points were true before 2014. Almost every Indian knows how much influence bjp has over courts. Just go to reddit and see how many indians want the word secular removed from our constitution. You are straight up living in delusion. Take off your nostalgia glasses and step foot in 2024.
Beating a kid for drinking water in a temple. This guy “Narasinghanand Saraswatiis” already released from jail and has been making hate videos constantly without any repercussions. He also has a camp where they teach youth to shoot and fight. Their opponents are 12 year old kids.
All of this is just the tip of the iceberg. Dalits have way worse treatment in India. Where will dalits go when India keeps hate criming them? It’s ironic how India oppresses dalits whether they are hindu/muslim or Christian and some of you act so delusional. India is moving towards an authoritarian fascist rule. The electoral commissioner assignment will make sure of that. I would agree with you if your arguments used “was” when referencing India instead of “is” because it’s no longer the reality.
I don’t know what you are even arguing. My point is India is democratic and secular despite being flawed. Do you not agree with that? If you don’t agree with that, why are you worried about the word “secular” being removed? How does it matter anyway?
Your incident counting means nothing - India has 1.4B people. Obviously you can find more cases LMAO.
My point is India is democratic and secular - and that’s an achievement in South Asia (that’s why compared to Pakistan). And that has made it more developed. So democracy and secularism are good ideals to fight for.
If India is not better off than Pakistan and Bangladesh, might as well let BJP make it non secular like them? Why bother fighting it?
why are you worried about the word “secular” being removed? How does it matter anyway?
Yeah you are the type of people I was describing.
If India is not better off than Pakistan and Bangladesh, might as well let BJP make it non secular like them? Why bother fighting it?
Never said anything about pakistan, but you are the type of guy to celebrate for getting a participation lol. Also what is this doomer logic. It doesn’t make any sense.
Your incident counting means nothing - India has 1.4B people.
Obviously you can find more cases LMAO.
Weren’t you describing how much better India is compared to these countries? These numbers are abnormally large and if you think pakistan and bangladesh are not densely populated, I have news for you.
I’m ending the conversation here. There’s no point arguing with a nationalist that thinks his country has/can do no wrong.
So democracy and secularism are good ideals to fight for.
There are no refugees fleeing either country, the borders are locked down and heavily militarized.
The people who do cross the border with visas are very few and only get access via special approval such as if they have family or business due to closeness to the border.
Pakistan doesn’t even accept refugees as citizens anymore because they don’t ever expect anyone to come from India.
The joke is that Pakistan’s founders claimed a united India would never last because it would fall to the Hindu majority who would nationilze around their identity and oppress everyone else which is exactly what happend. And not just with Muslims, the Sikh as well who get frequently blamed for public outrage and protests.
This all happening just gives credit for Pakistan’s purpose because it is a separate country that was created with the intent of avoiding explained problem by being a separate entity and moving all the Muslims there. For its purpose of avoiding being an oppressed minority, it succeded.
Although I do think they should reopen the border and let the remaining Muslim population in India easily move seeing as they are at the hands of Modi who was already involved in a Massacre not even 2 decades ago.
Not true - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_India
It’s not even close to that. For sure there needs to be big improvements in minority rights but it’s not even close to what Pakistan (and Bangladesh) are. India is heavily flawed but still has a functional democracy and secular state while not a single PM in Pakistan has completed a full term. Lol like they are not even comparable. If anything, India is an achievement of secularism and a good example of why you should separate the church and state.
Now that is a circular argument because the nationalists say “look at Pakistan and Bangladesh, Muslims got that, why aren’t we getting one?”. So creation of Pakistan is what gives credit to their argument.
Did they? Do Pakistani Muslims lead better life than Indian Muslims?
It’s a lot close to that. India is fastly moving towards an authoritarian fascist rule. Pakistan has better media index than India & that says something . So no wonder you don’t know what you are talking about. Is persecution of journalists democratic?. India is far worse in minority treatment than Bangladesh and if you feel better comparing yourself to Pakistan, keep doing it. Your points were true before 2014. Almost every Indian knows how much influence bjp has over courts. Just go to reddit and see how many indians want the word secular removed from our constitution. You are straight up living in delusion. Take off your nostalgia glasses and step foot in 2024.
Do you only count victims if they are Hindu?
Cow vigilantism
This incident alone has more minority deaths than in the last 20 years in Bangladesh
Incident from a few minths ago equals Bangladeshi hindu deaths in 3 years. 2 months ago
Supreme court
BBC
Rapists getting garlanded after release from jail
Very secular indeed
Beating a kid for drinking water in a temple. This guy “Narasinghanand Saraswatiis” already released from jail and has been making hate videos constantly without any repercussions. He also has a camp where they teach youth to shoot and fight. Their opponents are 12 year old kids.
Let’s not forget why your PM is so loved in the first place. 800 is crazy
All of this is just the tip of the iceberg. Dalits have way worse treatment in India. Where will dalits go when India keeps hate criming them? It’s ironic how India oppresses dalits whether they are hindu/muslim or Christian and some of you act so delusional. India is moving towards an authoritarian fascist rule. The electoral commissioner assignment will make sure of that. I would agree with you if your arguments used “was” when referencing India instead of “is” because it’s no longer the reality.
I don’t know what you are even arguing. My point is India is democratic and secular despite being flawed. Do you not agree with that? If you don’t agree with that, why are you worried about the word “secular” being removed? How does it matter anyway?
Your incident counting means nothing - India has 1.4B people. Obviously you can find more cases LMAO.
My point is India is democratic and secular - and that’s an achievement in South Asia (that’s why compared to Pakistan). And that has made it more developed. So democracy and secularism are good ideals to fight for.
If India is not better off than Pakistan and Bangladesh, might as well let BJP make it non secular like them? Why bother fighting it?
Yeah you are the type of people I was describing.
Never said anything about pakistan, but you are the type of guy to celebrate for getting a participation lol. Also what is this doomer logic. It doesn’t make any sense.
Weren’t you describing how much better India is compared to these countries? These numbers are abnormally large and if you think pakistan and bangladesh are not densely populated, I have news for you.
I’m ending the conversation here. There’s no point arguing with a nationalist that thinks his country has/can do no wrong.
You are doing the opposite rn btw.
Peak Nationalism