• His disclosures, both from his final year in Congress and his time as Minnesota governor, also show no mutual funds, bonds, private equities, or other securities.
  • No book deals or speaking fees or crypto or racehorse interests.
  • Not even real estate. The couple sold their Mankato, Minnesota, home after moving into the governor’s mansion, for below the $315k asking price).
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    This seems unwise. Does he not have any significant savings or is he letting inflation devalue his savings? I don’t think a politician should invest in specific companies but I also don’t think owning shares of an index fund creates any conflict of interest. It would simply be an investment in American prosperity.

    Edit: I suppose insider trading isn’t impossible even with index funds if, for example, a politician finds out about federal interest rate changes before the rest of the market does. However, that sort of speculation is pretty clearly distinguishable from buying and holding shares of an index fund as a long-term investment.

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        Even then he should have some savings. Is he never going to buy anything expensive or have some emergency he needs to pay to fix? Living paycheck to paycheck isn’t great even if the paycheck is actually a pension payment.

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          The disclosure says they sold their house for 300k before moving into the governors mansion.

          Having 3 pensions (army +teacher+congress) that I would guess net around 100k/yr, 300k in the bank and a 125k/yr governor salary puts you in a pretty good spot in the US economic system. He might even have a 4th governor pension coming, and if he gets the VP spot, a 5th.

          Even without the 300k or the governor’s job, it’s pretty easy to get 6 figure loans when you have a guaranteed 100kish coming in each year.

          I’d say his financial state is very, very healthy.

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            I’m not saying that he’s poor. I’m saying that if he has significant savings (and he does) then they should be invested in something. There’s a good reason why wealthy people don’t keep their money in a savings account.

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              I’m not saying that he’s poor.

              Lol. The man has 300k in the bank and likely 227k/yr in income, half of which is guaranteed, and you refer to him as “not poor.” How kind of you to consider an American with better finances than maybe 230 million other Americans as “not poor.”

              The reason people invest is to have enough steady income to fund their lifestyles. It looks like his family has already done that entirely through pensions. Why should he take even minimal risk to gain something that he clearly doesn’t want or need?

              I think most of the stock market would cease to exist if every American had a 100k/yr pensions like Governor walz does. In fact, I know this is true, because 401k were designed to kill pensions in order to force more people into the stock market, making rich people richer.

              Either way, sometimes people with “plenty” don’t care about “plenty more.” Man was already handing out full size chocolate bars and hot cocoa to trick or treaters. What else could he want?

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                227k/yr is an upper-middle class income. It’s about as much as a doctor in a relatively low-paid specialty earns, and while it is enough to live comfortably and securely while saving for the future, it isn’t enough to never have to think about money again.

                What I’ve been saying is that even if Walz doesn’t want more money than he already has, he should still have savings and he should invest those savings to avoid having them gradually become worthless because of inflation. Inflation means a guaranteed loss for those unwilling to take a even a minimal risk. There’s a difference between being modest and being wasteful. Taking that guaranteed loss rather than that minimal risk is wasteful.

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                  You are absolutely disconnected from the average American life if you think 227k/year, 300k in the bank, and at least 100k/yr of GUARENTEED INCOME is an amount of money where you need to worry about living comfortably in Minnisota.

                  Should he park his 300k in some low yield bonds? Sure. That might make him 10k/yr instead of the 3k/yr he’s likely making in a savings account.

                  Is the amount of money he’s “losing” matter when he clearly has all of his families needs met long term matter with zero risk? No.

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                    I have been poor enough to be on government assistance and I’m currently in the upper middle class myself, although I don’t have as much money as Walz. I know that his income is enough to live comfortably, and if you reread my last post then you will see that I explicitly said so. But what if he wants to buy his children a house, or pay for his grandchildren to go to college debt-free? He isn’t paid enough to do that without having to save first. (I don’t actually know his family situation but I think my general point stands.) Even if he doesn’t want to do any of that, he could at least donate the money to charity.

                    In short, is he going to end up broke because he hasn’t invested his savings? No, definitely not. Is wasting money a good look for someone who wants to be Vice President? Also no.

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              Maybe he doesn’t want to be wealthy but only wants to live comfortably? It’s not a common way of living, but it’s far from unimaginable.

              If someone doesn’t intend to live beyond reasonable means and has an emergency fund and income that will last until they die, they don’t need to invest in anything. Money doesn’t follow you into the grave, and wealth accumulation ror the sake of wealth accumulation benefits nobody.

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                Investment isn’t necessarily about the accumulation of wealth. You need $1.33 today to have the same purchasing power you had with $1.00 ten years ago, so unless your total return on investment has been 33% or more over the last ten years, you have effectively lost money. You could get that rate of return with very low-risk investments like Treasury bonds.

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                  But, again, why bother throwing away his good image of being a politician without anything incentivizing self-interests when he’s already set for life? If the guy lives another 25 years, and assuming the value of his $200k/year pension stays the same while the purchasing power of it is reduced to 1/1.332.5 (or about 50%), he effectively gets the equivalent of $100k a year in today’s money. That’s still going to be plenty to live comfortably.

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      These disclosures generally exempt disclosing mortgages for your primary residence, market indexed funds, sector funds, and depending on the circumstances, employer retirement accounts. The idea is to identify conflicts of interest, not total assets. Owning Apple stock might bias you towards Apple, but owning shares of an indexed fund doesn’t.

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      We should pay our politicians in war bonds. I can’t think of any ways in which this could go wrong

      *Fortunate Son fades in*