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Diplomats walk out on Israeli prime minister’s speech at UN to protest against devastating war on Gaza and latest attacks on Lebanon
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including scores of women and children
This always assumes that there are no civilian men. I get that men are the ones usually conscripted, but… that’s always seemed weird to me.
It makes for a more defensible argument. No sane person is going to argue that a 4 year old child is an enemy combatant. But a 20 year old male? It’s easy to argue they could have been an enemy combatant and so maybe the numbers are inflated. Saying 1000 people can be interpreted as 999 enemies and only 1 civilian casualty. Saying 1000 women and children is usually interpreted as 1000 innocent lives lost.
Yeah, that’s true, but super fucked that women get the innocence of children and men are assumed to be not innocent in any situation.
Life is harsh when you’re a guy.
Given the Israeli position on military rape, it’s just a different flavor of attrocity.
They rape men too.
And they kill women.
But a 20 year old male? It’s easy to argue they could have been an enemy combatan
The age old problem of “excess males” solved by declaring open season on anyone with facial hair.
In Gaza casualty numbers any adult man is assumed to be a combatant by Isreal.
And a child is assumed to be a future combatant.
And woman a combatant factory?
They’ll probably start calling grains of sand terrorists.
Anyone past puberty actually.
Call to emotion, nothing else. Women and children “sounds” worse than “people” dying.
I mean, a score is 20. I think that means they’ve killed two thousand scores of people. “Scores of women and children” doesn’t really do that justice.
If he is still able to speak and be heard, then they arent loud enough. Every single person in that room needs to be screaming to demand his immediate arrest.
Good point, them leaving says I don’t want to be involved not that I want to stop the injustice.
It’s the only way they can express their revulsion at Israel, and the US who constantly block anything else they might try
No… It says “I won’t be a part of this”. It’s a desperate act.
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That sack of shit should have been arrested.
Cool. Now do something that stops him. Going for a coffee won’t save lives.
The UN is a forum for dialogue. Expecting the UN to do something other than either say stuff or help by mandate supported by countries just shows you don’t understand what their purpose is.
Walking out in this case sends the message. If these countries want to do something about it they can, other countries might intervene on Israëls behalf. The UN provides a forum to discuss this kind of stuff. So countries don’t end up in wars they did not want.
Maybe so… but I feel like this is one of the biggest mistakes in the post WWII order. Imagine what things would be like if the UN had more teeth (and no security council)
Imagine what things would be like if the UN had more teeth (and no security council)
well then russia would be right about NATO lmao
I don’t get what you mean… can you elaborate?
If the UN had those powers, it would essentially be what russia accuses NATO of being. A body with the ability to regulate bodies outside of it’s own jurisdiction.
Russia likes to shitpost about NATO being an existential threat to russia/china whatever, even though that’s not true. The UN would essentially become this version of NATO. Just not militarily, which is good enough for russia lol.
Ah yes… good point… thanks for explaining.
I have a hard time imagining how that would work. Because teeth would mean there is a mechanism that could ultimately force countries to supply warm bodies to do enforcement.
If these countries want to do something about it they can
Yes, but they don’t. They go grab a coffee. Look, I know many countries are very vocal about their disagreement. I’m just so pissed there are still others (mine included) that seem to be absolutely blind to any of the atrocities and respond with neverending loyalty. In my county I even understand that to a degree, but still I’m beyond pissed. Accepting the genocide your ancestors caused and the moral consequences of it shouldn’t result in accepting another one driven by former victims. What Israel does is vile and unacceptable. And I say Israel, not the Israelis or ‘the Jews’, because I’m not a complete idiot. But there are people who might use the antisemite card on this. Maybe because they are complete idiots, or because they are off the same ideals and moral as the Nazis. And this behavior sickens me.
Well yes, the risk that is present is that if countries where to openly intervene and wage war against Israël, the US would intervene on the side of Israel.
Talking in the UN allows them to weigh their options, which allows them to make more informed decisions. Regardless of the subject matter at hand.
I’m not talking about war with Israel. But condemning them. Stopping trade. Calling in diplomats. There’s a lot of granularity between peace and war.
Do you think this isn’t a condemnation by diplomats?
I think it is. As soft and vanilla as they get. Meanwhile people are dying by the hundreds and thousands a day. I’m not sure if the reaction meets the required pressure.
Only the US (or Israel’s Arab allies bought by the US) can do that and yeah.
The ignorance of this statement makes me embarrassed for you.
That’s ok, I don’t mind
why isn’t he arrested already? I wish I had similar privileges, where I could break laws (thst don’t violate human rights ofc.), make a shitload of money and travel the world freely.
Now if they would actually take action.
Don’t worry, they’ll pass another strongly worded resolution.
Which the USA will find a way to veto or Israel will continue to ignore it.
The latter. The US only has a veto in the Security Council. Though even that isn’t entirely unconditional. Recently it abstained on a vote about a cease fire resolution, leading to much entitled complaining from Israel.
We’ve always been good at walking away, closing our ears, turning a blind eye…
Cool, but did you stop giving money and weapons yet? No? Then your statement is as effective as “thoughts and prayers.”
The UN definitely has its problems but I’m not going to blame UN global representatives for the US paving the unilateral support for the genocidal terrorist nation state of Israel.
The UN does not supply arms to Israel. The UN has passed many resolutions condemning Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians, going back decades. They have literally already done everything the UN can do, many times over. They weren’t a governing body with binding powers over where the US sends arms, or who France chooses to support.
So I’d have to say that your comment is less effective than their walkout, because it isn’t even properly informed.
Bro do you even know what the UN is?
Thoughts and prayers for the world?
The primary purpose of the United Nations (UN) is to maintain international peace and security. It aims to take effective collective measures to prevent and remove threats to peace, suppress acts of aggression, and settle international disputes peacefully, in accordance with principles of justice and international law.
brother AI is a solution to “solve all of your business problems with your business and elevate your business to a level above all other businesses” are you unironically reading marketing speak this straight?
The veto power in the UN makes it not functional. When China, Russia, France, The United Kingdom, or the United States veto something it’s done, without debate or “peaceful resolution.”
US using it’s veto power 34 times against ending the war in Gaza.
Russia using it’s veto power against using war in Ukraine.
When the big kids in the playground can do everything they want there is no space for debate or peaceful resolution, everyone else just shows up.
People are indoctrinated to believe that because votes are involved the process is somehow magically subject to meaningful reform and input from the masses.
A process where people were meaningfully enfranchised wouldn’t need to rely on something so abstract as votes. Voting is a process by which people are convinced to trade in their actual power in exchange for a piece of paper.
Thanks for this, that’s a fantastic way to phrase it.
Thanks, I don’t think it’s worded quite right though, because “in exchange for” implies the vote itself does something. The reality is that people are convinced to give away their power because they believe in the piece of paper.
The oiece of paper itself is almost worthless.
I only say that because I’m sure someone will want to split hairs over it.
A process where people were meaningfully enfranchised wouldn’t need to rely on something so abstract as votes.
how is this one supposed to work? Just curious, since voting seems to be the only real method of direct representation, unless you’re suggesting a global at will military force, which, would be a thing.
Federated communities that make decisions on consensus, with the fundamental rule that “those affected get to decide”.
There’s a lot more to it and there’s a lot to unpack in just the above paragraph, but if the only alternative you can imagine is a global military dictatorship then it’s hard to know where to even start explaining it to be quite honest.
well yeah, you don’t want everyone to have veto power, because then nothing happens ever. The idea behind a few people having veto powers to is to establish some sort of protection for the big players, since they’re likely to be the most contested, though depending on how you set up the legislation and member functionality of it this may not be relevant at all.
TBF i have little to no knowledge of how the UN works, just that it is a thing.
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