I’m not really looking to hear from people who don’t think this way, with answers like “insecurity”, “toxic masculinity”, etc. I want to hear answers from men who really detest men who sit to pee.
Follow-up questions:
- when you have to piss while shitting, do you stand up turn around and piss on your shit and then sit back down to finish shitting?
- are you ever groggy in the morning?
- how clean is your toilet and surrounding floor, and whose job is cleaning it?
- what are your true passions in life?
I will go ahead and be the only person to honestly engage with the terms of your question.
There is a movement that started a long time ago and continues today to “domesticate” boys. Boys are invariably more disobedient in controlled classrooms and group activities and so they need to be “broken in” and taught how to conform to the requirements of modern life and education. Girls tend to fit into this structure more easily as can be attested by the higher educational outcomes among women in countries that allow them to achieve it.
With this in mind there is a lot of resentment against this “breaking in” process. This metastasizes when boys hear all about how “toxic” they are by virtue of how they were born, how much more trouble they are to deal with etc. The emotional response is to resist all attempts to demasculinize them, even in the case of something as inconsequential as bathroom etiquette.
This is an honest representation of the perspective in question. Don’t get all passed off at me for being capable of presenting it.
Sincerely, thanks for being willing to provide a thoughtful response.
Even if it is a bit batty.
Just a note on the “toxic” thing - when folks talk about “toxic masculinity” they’re generally not talking about men being toxic or claiming that masculinity is always toxic. Toxic masculinity refers to the perversions of masculinity; things like “I must commit violence to defend my honor” or “I must never express ‘soft’ emotions”. Men and masculinity are good things that can and should be celebrated as much as all other identities.
The idea of it being girlie to sit down and pee far predates the “domestication” of boys. Additionally, the idea that “if you are a man you have to sit down to pee” is what is attempting to force some kind of social conformity. . . “pee how you like, it has nothing to do with how manly you are” is exactly the opposite.