“This is a collapse of the Democratic Party.” Consumer advocate, corporate critic and former presidential candidate Ralph Nader comments on the reelection of Donald Trump and the failures of the Democratic challenge against him. Despite attempts by left-wing segments of the Democratic base to shift the party’s messaging toward populist, anti-corporate and progressive policies, says Nader, Democrats “didn’t listen.” Under Trump, continues Nader, “We’re in for huge turmoil.”

“This is a collapse of the Democratic Party.” Consumer advocate, corporate critic and former presidential candidate Ralph Nader comments on the reelection of Donald Trump and the failures of the Democratic challenge against him.

Despite attempts by left-wing segments of the Democratic base to shift the party’s messaging toward populist, anti-corporate and progressive policies, says Nader, Democrats “didn’t listen.” Under Trump, continues Nader, “We’re in for huge turmoil.”

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    372·
    17 days ago

    The issue is the same with trump.

    A lot of stuff is dependent on people “doing the moral thing”.

    The DNC is a private organization, and if they decide to keep making the terrible decisions they’ve been making, there’s not a lot we can do about it.

    Their platform for a decade has been “what are you gonna do, vote trump?”

    So I really really think that today being the day after the election is the day we start talking about a third option in 2028. There’s no reason to expect the same people who have been running the DNC to magically change this time or even just get out of the way for the best of the country.

    We can’t just “find new leadership” because when a Republican wins, the DNC votes for its own leadership and almost always elects the same kind of people if not literally the exact same people.

    • BombOmOm@lemmy.worldEnglish
      171·
      17 days ago

      Their platform for a decade has been “what are you gonna do, vote trump?”

      The people: Yes

      But seriously, the Democrats need to get better candidates, and they need to take a long-hard look at their policy agenda. The people don’t want it and will literally vote for Trump before what Democrats are offering.

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
        331·
        17 days ago

        That’s not what I’m seeing.

        Obviously totals aren’t in yet, but looks like trump gained a million voters and Dems lost between 8-17 million

        Which is what I’ve been saying for years. The danger isn’t cross over voters, very few people bounce between parties.

        What matters is energizing your own base and getting them out to vote.

        Dems keep pissing off their own base to court Republicans and it never fucking works

        Because what people will do, is just not vote.

        Which is what just happened. And at the end of the day the entire point of a campaign is to motivate voters, this is a failure of Kamala and her campaign.

    • Steve@communick.newsEnglish
      133·
      17 days ago

      So I really really think that today being the day after the election is the day we start talking about a third option in 2028.

      Might I recommend supporting the Forward Party.
      They’re trying to build a whole New Kind of Party, genuinely from the bottom up. Focusing on local politics, where election rules can be changed to make representatives more responsive to their voters. They’re quite unlike other 3rd Parties that just run pointless presidential candidates every 4 years.

      Then there’s RepresentUs. Not a Party, but a political organization trying to do the same. Fix our election system at the state and local level.

      • humanspiral@lemmy.ca
        32·
        17 days ago

        Andrew Yang was one of the best spokesmen for UBI. Unfortunately, he got bought out by big Pharma to drop support for universal healthcare and stop advocating for UBI. Both have same rationale. His party of “consolidating moderates” is just pro-neocon warmongering coalition.

        I hope forward party can become something different. Back to UBI roots.

        • Steve@communick.newsEnglish
          31·
          17 days ago

          Forward doesn’t even need to exist after achieving open primaries, ranked choice voting, and multi-member districts. Until that happens UBI won’t be possible with the corpo duopoly we have.

          Parties don’t have to be perminant. Even less perminant should be our support. Other parties will be possible when our process is fixed. Which ever ones support any form of UBI will get my support. But that may be a decade away or more.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
      115·
      17 days ago

      Fine. Then people need to do something about it. Because the people saying it this time didn’t. Despite asking over and over, I found one person this year on Lemmy who said they actually worked for a third party’s campaign.

      And when you asked them which third party candidate to vote for, they generally wouldn’t give me a name. If you can’t rally around a single candidate, you will never win.

      Also, I’m not sure why abandoning something is better than fixing it from the inside.

      • ahornsirup@feddit.org
        53·
        17 days ago

        Because fixing something from the inside takes work and time. And it’s not like it wasn’t happening (as much as I’m not a fan of it because I actually am one of the evil liberals people here love to complain about), people like AOC or Tlaib would never have been prominent voices ~20 years ago. But generational change happens over a timespan of, and I feel that it’s very odd that I need to point this out, generations.