Off-topic, anyone remember the early days of rockpapershotgun? Goddamn i miss the stylings of the og writers. Now it’s just another game site but I’ll never forget some of their early pieces
Yeah, they had a really good thing going on and it’s sad that it didn’t last.
Guess I will stick to warframe, No Man’s Sky and BG3.
Just recently start Skyrim again, with a laundry list of mods, of course.
In the grand scheme of nickel-and-diming I wouldn’t call this abysmal
This is the mentality that ruins it for the rest of us. It’s shameful.
counterpoint: it’s the far more prevalent mentality of “blaming foolish consumers” that ruins it for the rest of us.
Expecting consumers to ever do differently at scale is a dead-end fantasy we all need to stop having.
Only market regulation stops manipulative market practices.
Doing anything less then “advocating for laws to stop this shit” izza giant waste of brain cells, yet i see threads of people making that useless case every time something like this happens.
Change will not come from consumers voting with their wallets, FULL STOP
If someone readin thinking it will, NEVER think this again.
Hey! I see you, looking for an example of consumer action making a difference: Go find me 100 more. You’ll need about 100 to start make up for alla times deregulation have hurt and currently hurting consumers now.
Hear me: anyone advocating for consumer action or blaming consumers is doing them companies dry-fucking us a huge favor. These bad actors can and will continue as long as it is legal to do so.
When it comes to video games, idgaf if someone wants to give a game dev thousands of their own dollars because they want to pay an idiot tax.
It’s a free market, and we’re all free to just not play the fucking game. Actually that’s the default so just doing nothing is plenty.
I get what you’re saying but we’re not talking about groceries here, we’re talking about something that could literally cease to exist and aside from some folks maybe being out of work nobody would even notice or care. I do agree though that strong regulation is much better than expecting consumers to stop consuming something as long as it’s a necessary thing or something with quite inelastic demand (ie: medicine).
Yeah, i don’t disagree with a thing ya wrote. I’m not claiming that people shouldn’t care; just that it’s better to push for regulatory change rather than trying to affect change thru collective consumer action/raising awareness.
Well scratch that off of a game I will ever play
Well, that and all the people buying the game full price day one. Even here on Lemmy I’ve seen comments unapologetically saying they bought it minute one, day one.
It’s kind of disgusting to see, tbh.
What exactly is the issue with buying it minute one day one exactly? How many minutes, hours, or days after release do they have to wait to avoid your arbitrarily defined disgust?
Disturbing? Yes. Surprising? No, sadly.
You have weeks or months of “this thing doesn’t look good, the beta sucked, it’s just the same as before etc.” Then millions of people buy it anyway.
It’s almost like there’s this loud vocal minority that companies keep ignoring because they keep making money doing what they’re doing. Like if it wasn’t profitable and predictable I’m pretty sure publishers would stop what they’re doing.
Yup, they’re different people. The people complaining likely aren’t buying it, and the people buying it are likely ignoring the complaining threads.
I bought it the night before it released so I could download it and have it ready to play. At that point, I had played hours of the betas, had seen interviews with the developers, and had read various reviews that were overall very favorable. And just from playing it one day I’m very happy with my purchase.
I understand people disagreeing with it being a worthwhile purchase but calling it “shameful”, “disgusting”, or “disturbing” is actually really disappointing for me to see. It’s just buying a video game when it releases. You can have a complaint about a product without being so judgemental about people who find it valuable enough to buy even with its faults. Let people enjoy things.
This is the thing though. Let ppl have their opinion of you. You did a selfish thing, thought screw the community or lack there of. Let people shame you for being selfish, value is perspective at least enjoy it.
The level of hyperbole in this thread is incredible. I can’t imagine getting this geeked over something this trivial. People are still talking about horse armor in this thread, it’s like referencing Leroy Jenkins, I can tell when you stopped paying attention to games. Like, it’s OK to move on too, but major “Stop having fun!” energy here.
The author mentioned Horse armor’s probs why commenters are bringing it up
Don’t buy these predatory games, refund if you did. Stop supporting these scummy companies, it’s the only way they will learn.
Capcom regularly puts out certified bangers. I’ll keep buying their games for as long as those games are high quality experiences are worth the money. They can learn about microtransactions by me not buying those lol.
I’ve been a die hard MH fan for like 20-25 years or something ridiculous. I’m gonna buy and play this game, don’t really care what people think about the gaming industry
Good little consumer… patpat
Sorry I took time out of my week raising a family, working full time, and trying to build a mass movement to fight against the worst abuses of our economic system to enjoy something sometimes and that it offends your vendetta against the oil and gas Industr… Oh sorry I meant industrial agricult… Wait it’s the gaming Industry? You’re mad about a game? Okay buddy
You can always be mad at 2 or more things at once, and how the gaming industry sucks out money from the consumer to pay their executives should be one of these.
In all the industries you mentioned, “voting with your wallet” is a thing that’s universally accepted as effective but at times hard to do. In gaming, it couldn’t be easier, you can literally safe money by buying anything cheaper from the indie sphere, not buy anything at all and play games you already own, wait 2 weeks and get a 2nd hand copy, or the unnamed 4th thing.
And the impact is more than just having a worse game to enjoy. As much as we like to laugh at people for their bad financial decisions, some people just cannot think rational about these things, and every game that includes microtransactions is simply not safe for them. Casino’s are heavily regulated for a reason, it is perversive brain stimulation with decades of research behind it, and we invited it into our consoles and computers for kids to enjoy. And more and more people just expect games to be predatory, and it warps how they think of the effort put into games. Being a functional, complete game without any in game purchases used to be the minimum. But if you expect anyone to have your mental fortitude, that no kid will wander into this menu and that everyone has an unalterable image of the industry, feel free to support this.
Genshin Impact lies at the end of this road.
You do not have to support these decisions. You can be a Monster Hunter and Capcom fan, and not buy into the hype. Vote with your wallet.
I don’t believe in voting with your wallet, I believe in organizing. Individuals can never stand against an organization. A large group of individuals doing what they think is right but not working together can’t win against even a much smaller organized force. In fact I think that your idea is little more than propaganda to keep the masses weakened in the face of power that is intentionally organized against us.
But I don’t play monster hunter to engage in political theory, I do it because it is a highly technical game with a steep learning curve. For whatever reason, a major stress reliever for me is to perform difficult actions with my hands. That’s all I want.
We are all treat brained little piggies in our own way, it shouldn’t be controversial. I don’t play genshin impact but if you do, whatever. Like I said, I work full time, I have a life full of family and friends, and I volunteer my time and energy to make my community better. If I wanna spend $70 on one of the like 3 game series that I really like, I shouldn’t have to justify that to other gamers ffs. The problem with the gaming industry is a problem with capitalism, its called the tendency for the rate of profit to fall. Enshitification has been a proven phenomenon about for like 150 years. Voting with your dollars is pointless when it is the dollars themselves which are the problem.
The commenter you replied to was basically just informing people not to buy. You made a great showing that you were going to buy anyway and you don’t care. That is something you need to justify, not the buying itself. No one would even know if you didn’t go out of your way to tell everyone.
And yes, what you do is good, but takes time to amount to anything. In the mean time, it is perfectly acceptable to also pursue methods that work in the short term. We aren’t just individuals on a forum, we are public opinion. As flawed as it is, that’s still better than the apathy you promote in your first comment.
Buying games with MTX in is supporting the inclusion of them, whether you buy the MTX or not.
Anyone who disagrees with that fact also thinks it’s okay to go to the casino just for the bar at the back.
Buying a game with MTX but not buying the MTX essentially wastes the money and time the company spent on putting the MTX there in the first place, way I see it.
If it exists, the game has suffered because of it, if it exists, people will spend money on it. The systems are designed to prey on how we think, they shouldn’t exist.
It costs them barely anything, it’s cosmetics the artists on payroll would be making regardless of if they are selling them or not, because they would just be unlockable.
Idk, the game is great and I distinctly remember people crying about stuff like this with DD2.
I’ll tell you what I said then. I was not tempted to buy any MTX in MH Wilds until I started reading the comments of people crying about it.
This is a basic fucking character creator we’re talking about. If you’re so spastic that you need to change your characters model every day, we have very different reasons for playing video games.
Let me put it this way. This is Monster Hunter. Why the fuck does your character looking a certain way mean so much to you? If it does mean so much, make a new character - the game hasn’t even been out for 3 days. These problems are literally non-issues.
Hard disagree.
Honestly, out of all of them - IMHO Capcom puts out quality games that you can buy once and then buy a dlc and be able to fully enjoy an amazing game with incredible replayablity. I’m not saying I agree with the pay for cosmetic reroll thing, but if Capcom wants to put in cosmetic 2-3$ trinkets, whatever. It affects the game barely any at all, and in the case of Monster Hunter, there are so many in-game cosmetics and trinkets you can unlock already that look awesome. On the flip side of this you have scum bag companies that lock FUN behind micro transactions, not solely cosmetics. Still, the pay for reroll is fucked and I only hope we can mod in the ability to change it like we had in World.
They did the same shit in the last MH game and people bought into it anyway. They slowly chip away at consumers with this shit. Remember the outrage over horse armour? These companies normalised this mindset of “cosmetics being paid are fine!”. You should buy a game once and be done with it. Expansions I can get behind paid, but that is as far as it should go.
They did the same thing with MH World too, and that’s one of my favorite games of all time. Capcom shouldn’t charge for things like appearance changes, but even so, they create games with huge amounts of value for the price tag. And most of that came from years of free post release added content. A feature-complete game with cosmetic bonuses available as paid dlc is not a problem. Failing to achieve that would be the reason to be concerned over microtransactions. I understand why microtransactions are unpopular, but they can be done well and without them existing, many great games would either not exist or have to be much smaller.
Also, for this specifically, there is a nexus mod that lets you change your appearance for free. There will very likely be a similar workaround with the new game if you have the pc version.
This is the point I am making, consumers have been conditioned to have that point of view. The game should just be the $70 or whatever it is and then no MTX. It’s irrelevant how good or bad the core game might be, MTX shouldnt exist.
Which teaches us that better network connectivity and convenient distribution platforms are not necessarily good.
When we would dream of them in 2005, we would dream of having that industry and quality and economic processes, but with an option of sky cool connectivity and ability to buy and install a game with a click.
Except there’s no mechanism where more is indefinitely better or less is indefinitely better.
I doubt they would even learn from that.
Oh they would, but instead of being rational, they would just lay off their workforce.
We were never gonna shop our way out of this abuse.
I don’t know about you, but I’ve been pretty successful at it. I don’t buy predatory games, and I do buy non-predatory games. There are tons of non-predatory games, so I have a fantastic selection.
Some people will buy these games regardless, in fact many will. It doesn’t mean you have to.
Systemic problems aren’t about you.
Sure, and I can’t control systemic problems. I can control my individual purchasing choices, and my point is that you can too. And what do we call large scale individual choice that results in systemic change? A systemic solution!
Buy good games and avoid bad games. That’s the most effective thing you can do to combat predatory practices. Maybe it won’t solve the problem for everyone, but it’ll solve the problem for you.
Your choice doesn’t change this system. The people who fall for this shit matter more than your nonparticipation, by an order of magnitude. Only a slim fraction of them need to pony up five actual dollars per imaginary hat, to make this widespread abuse worth spreading wider. Which is why it’s fucking everywhere - and not going away - despite people like you, chiding others ‘just don’t buy it!’
I’m already not doing it. It’s still a problem, and it demands fixing, and me not doing it plainly will not suffice.
Right. One person’s choice can’t. But one person’s choice turns into recommendations to others, which turns into more and more people making those choices.
That won’t kill predatory games, but it will preserve non predatory games. As long as options exist, I’m satisfied satisfied.
Yeah, you’ve made clear you don’t care if people besides you get tricked into throwing away money. What does a systemic problem matter, so long as you, the protagonist of reality, are safe?
they have been doing this for a while. at least since dragons dogma online. In monster hunter worlds I used cheats to give myself the cosmetic edit currency item but no idea if that works in any others.
DD2 is highly cheatable and moddable, the cash shop is just a really poor joke honestly. The game has absolutely no way to check for cheating unless you give your pawn equipment they can’t actually use or edit their stats to be something impossible.
Nothing inside a video game should cost real money.
Only legislation will fix this.
That’s what you want to fix? Companies trying new monetization strats?
Variations on a scam.
I’m fine with things like expansions costing real money. I’m not fine with things like cosmetics and upgrades costing real money. If they want to sell expansions in the game, I’m cool with that.
I draw the line at mixing in-game currency w/ real currency. In-game currency is a mechanic to manage progression and customizations. Real currency is for buying more content.
Can’t wait for Square to charge money to swap materia from weapons in FF7.
Don’t they already charge you for Fantasia in final fantasy 14 beyond the one free that you get?
Don’t give them ideas!
I thought this was for stat distributions at first, which would be annoying, but at least somewhat understandable. But this actually seems to be just cosmetic re-rolling, which is just absurd.
I get it if a developer doesn’t want it to be free to reroll a character’s appearance. But don’t charge them money for it, just make them do a quest or something. God damn.
Why the fuck would that be understandable lmao
Characters should have some level of permanence to them. If there’s no consequence to rerolling stats, then you’re not playing a “character”, as much as you’re equipping a stat loadout. Limiting spec rolls is pretty standard.
You can literally do this without paywalling, wtf man
Limiting them yes, paywalling them though?
I think it makes sense in a multiplayer context, where you want to encourage more “organic” builds instead of people chasing the meta. I don’t think they should paywall them though, just ban it and force people to start over, or have it be limited (i.e. lose a level to be able to move half of the stats over), so you’re punishing with a bit of time instead of a completely restart.
Paying for any form of reroll is stupid though. Either allow it or don’t, and account for it in mechanics so you reward the behavior you’re going for.
People will chase the meta regardless. Balancing a game by introducing tedium often results in people merely finding the game tedious.
You don’t balance it with tedium, in a live service game, the tedium gives time to balance it properly. By the time people adapt to the meta, it has already been nerfed.
Live service games are not only balanced around tedium, they are designed around tedium. Without it people wouldn’t buy boosters etc.
Adapting the meta faster than people can catch up and letting people pay to keep up simply switches the game from balance by tedium to straight up pay to win. Or pay to play optionally, at least, which live service games heavily push you towards doing.
World was like this too. Are RPS not outraged about that, or is it the case that Wilds generates more traffic for them?
Often times, including this time for sure, changes like this are made after the review period specifically so that they’ll fly under the radar from press. But also, they may just be informing their readers who didn’t know the last several times Capcom has done this.
During the betas at least, it was mentioned in at least one of the interview/preview videos that you could adjust your character whenever before release but after release it would cost money. Not sure how accessible the information was but it wasn’t a total secret.
including this time for sure, changes like this are made after the review period
Could you clarify? As far as I can tell it was there when Wilds launched on PC.
The review period is typically pre-launch. In a perfect world, the benefit there is that reviewers aren’t all rushing to get their review done first, and publishers get to have good review scores correspond with the launch of the game, right when interest in buying it is at its peak. But in this case, they can review the game before the release date, praise it, and then Capcom can sneak in a patch on day 1 of its real release that adds in microtransactions like these that might sink the score if they were there for the reviewers.
So Im stuck with what I chose at the beta test as I wouldn’t want to blow my chance at a free change later?
I imported my beta character and for some reason the voice bugged out and is completely fucked up. Not sure if I want to use the edit voucher just to fix my stupid robot voice
You can create your character, don’t have to used the one from the beta
Apparently you get a free redo, per the headline
Yes but if I were to play I’d hold on to that free redo forever since it was the only one.
If theres 1 free redo, you get 2 chances to do character edits. Im not a fan of the “pay to edit” thing but like…if you cant get your character right after 2 tries and you pay to edit again, i dont exactly have sympathy. Playing dressup is supposed to come with the armors, not the character editor.
Wow this is one of the most pathetic comments I have ever seen.
“If you haven’t figured out how to enjoy the game in two attempts, get fucked buddy! That’s your fault for attempting to explore avenues if enjoyment! You need to do it my way, or face the consequences of payment!”
I don’t know how we got to not just complacency in these predatory practices, but outright defending them too.
Pretty soon you’ll be asking the company to directly shit in your mouth rather than present it on a plate.
Yeah that is NOT what im fucking saying. Thank you for putting words in my mouth and attacking me over it
On the other hand, what cost is it to Capcom to let players “redo” whenever they want? Some people just like trying new things.
This is just a cash grab aimed at people who have alternative ways they want to play, with no real benefit to anyone but Capcom. I don’t care what people look like, as long as they don’t throw a hunt for the lols. And if it makes someone else happy to have a weird troll with an underbite one week and a giant Smurf the next, who am I to say that’s the wrong way to play?
Just seems like Capcom further forcing people to fit within their box. First it was the anti-mod rootkit, now it’s limited in-game customizations.
If this feature is unneeded, why is it then available for paying users?
This game already costs $70. People should be able to play the game they paid for however they want. If they want to keep redoing their character, let them.
Yeah I agree, its pointless monetization that only hurts the consumer
Wow, that’s quite the 180.
Its not, I said quite plainly that I dont like what Capcom is doing here. I also said I feel no sympathy for anyone buying it.
I would prefer editing to not be locked behind money. It is a monster hunting game, however. If you paid $70 to play dressup you might have bought the wrong game. Not saying it cant be fun and not bashing peoples enjoyment.
if you cant get your character right after 2 tries and you pay to edit again, i dont exactly have sympathy
It’s this that I found to be ironic. You say in the first post you don’t have sympathy, but then later that pointless monetization is bad. So it sound like you’re defending Capcom and attacking them at the same time.
If you buy this stupid shit youre a dumbass
Better? Its not a hard concept to read
Ok, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the game. If someone rerolls a dozen times, yeah, maybe they’re dumb, but that doesn’t mean they should have to pay a “dumb tax.” Either make it a proper feature, or take it out entirely, charging for it doesn’t benefit customers in any way.
In Cyberpunk 2077 it took me forever to figure out the perfect sized tits to pair with the perfect sized cock on my V so I think we play games differently.
