Summary
Secretary of State Marco Rubio grew visibly frustrated during an ABC News interview when questioned about the Trump administration’s approach to Russia.
Defending Trump’s push for peace talks with Putin, Rubio insisted negotiations were necessary but admitted the administration didn’t know Russia’s demands.
He clashed with host George Stephanopoulos over Trump’s refusal to call Putin a dictator and the U.S. siding with Russia in a recent UN vote.
Rubio also compared Trump’s handling of Ukraine to Biden’s approach to Israel, further escalating tensions.
The only person to talk about backing out of NATO since its creation has been Putin/Xi and Trump/Musk. So why wouldn’t everyone think it?
NATO is Russia/China’s greatest deterrent. It’s literally devastating to our national security to pull out–so clearly only a bad actor would want that… It’s pretty goddamn obvious.
Don forget ending all US cyber operations against Russia
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Trump backs Putin. Trump was told to pull out of NATO. Trump has talked about it. That helps Putin.
Some people have thoughts that lead to other thoughts. Then they apply those new thoughts to the original problem.
That’s not true. Ron/Rand Paul, Ross Perot, Pat Buchanan, and a number of other paleocons have been championing this for decades.
Trump’s just the first guy to make it all the way to the White House with the view. But it isn’t unique to Trump, nor is it particularly unpopular. Lots of Americans, particularly poorer and more rural ones, see these foreign alliances as an unnecessary extravagance.
They don’t like it any more than they liked NAFTA or the WTO or the UN.
What is The North Atlantic Treaty Organization detering China from doing, exactly?
Fyi, UK, NL, FR, ES etc all went with you on your “right of passage” sail throughs, against the chinese. Thats NATO.
Guess who can do that all on its own from now on.
Guess which countries also put sanctions on china? Your NATO partners.
Guess where the machines most chips are made with… Are being made? (NL says hi.)
If you stop scratching our back… Why should we still scratch yours? The chinese market is double yours. We can make more euros there then in your tariff hellscape.
Have fun having the biggest military for the time being. In a few years china has eclipsed yours.
Trump’s tantrums have made it very clear we should buy our military gear locally. So we will. Same will happen with cloud and tech. You can’t be trusted. One day everything is ok, next day everything is +25%
If this continues for a few more months it will mean the end of US hegemony. You will be left with nothing.
In the end we will make peace with Russia, simply because we must. The oil will flow west again in a few years leaving you with all the problems of fracking and zero gains.
Same will happen with china.
We will be allright, bud.
From an EU standpoint it doesn’t matter if the US, china or even Russia is our partner. It mattered because of history. But trump’s US chooses to flush it all down the drain. So we will check if the turd really went down.
They’re all marque destinations for Chinese exports. Why on earth would China prevent them from sailing in to pick up merch? Sail Through isn’t a consequence of NATO, its a consequence of a multi-trillion dollar trade network.
The sanctions are a joke. Russian gas and Chinese tech have been flooding markets in gray markets across the South Pacific and the Middle East. Germans are buying gas through Turkyie at a middleman’s markup. Indonesia and Malyasia are restamping Chinese manufactured goods and passing them under the radar of sanctions officials. And NATO leadership knows it. They turn a blind eye, because the Business First ideology of capitalism means fattening the wallets of a few industry insiders is far more important than imposing any kind of uniform foreign policy.
You’ve missed so many steps in the supply chain, its difficult to know where to start. But if you want to believe the Netherlands is the heart of the global electronics manufacturing industry, that’s none of my business.
The US has been sloughing off its hegemony since Bush invaded Iraq. But the game was already functionally over when the UK was forced out of Hong Kong. The Americans have been scrambling to keep control of the Philippines, as liberals panic at even Chinese-adjacent businesses in Singapore gaining global popular appeal. They’ve lost control of the Suez thanks to their proxy war defeats in Yemen of all places. And South Africa has been outside the western sphere of influence since Apartheid ended.
What’s scarier than any Trump Tariff is the possibility of the Americans losing control of the Panama Canal, in their own backyard.
We’ll see. Trump’s itchy trigger finger blew up the peace deal with Iran and cost the US any kind of stability across the Persian Gulf. We’re alienated from the Turks, we’re pissing of Ukraine, and we’ve lost control of a large swath of Central Africa, all because American ethno-nationalism remains the lodestone of our foreign policy. I don’t know if we can bring ourselves to make peace with anyone. All we can do is walk away from our crumbling edifice of empire.
I was being facetious.
Anything in the South China Sea or the Indo-Pacific that they shouldn’t be doing. China literally just says sometimes “Hey, nice land you got there. Would be a fuckin’ shame if we took it…” and then just pretends like that land has always been a part of China. They literally do it all the time. They’re attempting to expand their empire and without the presence of NATO, there would be no one to stop them… Especially from capturing strategic or necessary assets that are critical to the US, like Taiwan. If we lose Taiwan we’re pretty much omega-fucked and I don’t think people appreciate that fact enough.
NATO is the largest nuclear deterrent in the world and if we pull out, it’s like taking all the ammo out of our really big guns. It’s such an astonishingly stupid move I cannot even believe that anyone with a pulse would or even could support it. It leaves me fuckin’ bewildered.
Such as? What isn’t China doing that they would be doing without British or French intervention?
You sure you’re not confusing China with the United States?
Deterant to what? They certainly didn’t keep Russia out of Georgia, Crimea, or the Donbas.
I literally went on to explain. So either you’re being disingenuous here or you just don’t read. Either way, I’m out.
Boom, there it is!
I Guess we’re just ignoring all the shit they’re pulling by dumping sand and dirt into the ocean and calling it a Chinese island, and all the shit they’re doing near Taiwan.
Can’t wait for someone to pull out a 400 year old map to justify modern day imperialism again!
Interesting “West vs rest” moment yesterday on French TV with the President of Congo, the 2nd biggest country in Africa.
The host asks: “Are you saying that the Chinese or the Russians behave better than us, Westerners, currently, in your opinion?”
“Oh absolutely!” he replies, “You don’t quite understand African realities… it’s astonishing to see how we are very distant in terms of cultures. We cannot understand why you come to give us lessons, for example, on human rights.”
Reminds of the now famous saying from a Kenyan official: "Every time China visits we get a hospital, every time Britain visits we get a lecture”…
glances at a map of US military bases
The crazy thing about NATO is how much of it hinges on the political attitude of a single man in a big white house within walking distance of the Potomac. So many eggs placed in one basket. And then the Americans spill it… twice.
But you cling to NATO like its something so much more than the legacy of American post-war expansionism. Like it really is an enthusiastic alliance between Atlantic Nations and not the biggest kid on the playground shaking down everyone else for their lunch money.
@Xanza probably doesn’t know anything past what CNN and Facebook has told them about things.