Summary

Democrats must reclaim their identity as the party of the working class to regain electoral strength.

Despite pro-labor policies under Biden, working-class voters feel disconnected, seeing Democrats as defenders of a failing system.

The party’s decline traces back to NAFTA and neoliberal economic policies that favored corporations over workers.

A generational effort to prioritize labor rights, fair wages, and economic security while addressing working-class frustrations are needed.

Without serious reform, Democrats will continue losing ground to populist alternatives.

  • yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de
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    7 hours ago

    Other countries manage to allow for rail workers to strike though. Why should the US government and not a court of law be able to evaluate whether limiting strikes is an appropriate measure for protecting the economy?

    Take German as example. There’s this union:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gewerkschaft_Deutscher_Lokomotivführer

    They are one of the only unions that is willing to actually fight in Germany and have achieved results exceeding those of significantly larger unions. Why shouldn’t they be permitted to strike? Strikes in Germany can be blocked by labor courts if they cause too much economic damage by the way.

    Also, as a sidenote:

    Aren’t you doing something right when you get an actually decent song praising you shown on - and created by - a publicly founded TV channel?

    The song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2fVMSKfI7E English translation by me: https://pastebin.com/c3YXtpGN

    Further context: The song was uploaded shortly before the 2023/2024 strikes were announced by the union. Claus Weselsky, the union leader since 2008, retired after the union got its demands fulfilled.

    • meowmeowbeanz@sopuli.xyz
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      Other countries’ systems aren’t directly comparable to the U.S., where federalism complicates labor law uniformity. Germany’s co-determination model works within its unique legal and economic framework, but applying it to the U.S. ignores vast structural differences. Rail strikes in the U.S. directly impact interstate commerce, which federal law prioritizes above all else.

      GDL’s success stems from Germany’s specific labor environment, where unions negotiate under different constraints. In the U.S., rail unions face systemic hurdles like the Railway Labor Act, designed to limit disruptions. Comparing outcomes without acknowledging these disparities oversimplifies the issue.

      Finally, your sidetrack about a song and TV production is irrelevant to the discussion of labor rights. Focus on substance instead of tangential anecdotes.

      A mix of effort and relevance but flawed arguments and diversions.

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        Other countries’ systems aren’t directly comparable to the U.S., where federalism complicates labor law uniformity

        Federalism is enshrined in the German constitution and does complicate a shitton of things too though. Labor and contract rights just happen to be there too but isn’t the latter in the US constitution as well?

        Rail strikes in the U.S. directly impact interstate commerce, which federal law prioritizes above all else.

        But so would truck driver union strikes or port worker strikes. As far as my limited knowledge and quick research goes, the latter does strike somewhat frequently and the former doesn’t exist as each company has their own small union, if any.

        Federal law also prioritizes the economy in Germany. It’s just that courts must rule whether the violation of labor rights can be justified with this argument - the government cannot unilaterally disband a strike. That’s the point of separation of powers.

        In the U.S., rail unions face systemic hurdles like the Railway Labor Act, designed to limit disruptions. Comparing outcomes without acknowledging these disparities oversimplifies the issue.

        To some extent, yes. Biden and congress however were not forced by this act to act the way they did if I can read this law correctly. They could’ve easily permitted warning strikes or put significant pressure on the involved companies.

        Even then, indefinite strikes rarely happen in Germany either. There are always several warning strikes beforehand which cause limited damage.

        Finally, your sidetrack about a song and TV production is irrelevant to the discussion of labor rights.

        I thought it was fun to bring up in this topic. The song is quite apt w.r.t. the impact and perception of rail strikes. The GDL is despised by rail companies, politicians, tabloids et al and usually portrayed as unreasonable monsters targeting poor commuters.

        But that’s the entire point of strikes. They must hurt, otherwise they are meaningless. Don’t you think that had Biden not intervened, the workers would’ve gotten all their demands fulfilled - including paid sick leave (mandatory in countries with labor rights btw)?

        The only thing I’m certain about is that if the German government had the same capability to end strikes willy-nilly, rail unions would be neutered until they exist on paper alone. Like they seem to in the US.

        • meowmeowbeanz@sopuli.xyz
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          Federalism may complicate matters in Germany, but comparing it to the U.S. misses the point. American federalism prioritizes commerce over labor rights, creating systemic barriers unique to its legal framework. Tossing in contract rights feels like a red herring—stick to the rails, friend.

          Your take on German courts balancing labor rights better is valid but irrelevant here. The U.S. government’s intervention wasn’t about legal obligation; it was political calculus. That nuance undermines your argument while proving mine.

          As for strikes “needing to hurt,” congratulations on stating the obvious. The real issue is how systemic suppression in the U.S. neuters unions, leaving workers with little leverage. Your tangents about songs and tabloids? Entertaining but hollow.

          Focus your argument, or you’ll derail yourself again.

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