Same with events that exclude attendance based on sex/gender.
There’s a time and a place.
For example, a “women’s only” group may be for a group of women who are healing from a sexually violent relationship, so they really don’t want to see men there.
But a parent and child group that excludes races? That just a gross kind of bigotry.
For example, a “women’s only” group may be for a group of women who are healing from a sexually violent relationship, so they really don’t want to see men there.
“Maybe that whites-only parenting group could be healing from some trauma caused by POC and they don’t really want to see POC there.”
Do you see the problem? A POC causing you trauma is not a good reason to reject POC people in general, and a man causing you trauma isn’t a good reason to reject men in general either.
A group dedicated to victims of domestic violence could easily encompass both men and women who have suffered from it, whether the perpetrators were men or women. Cis & trans, it bears saying.
A person who has a blanket phobia of people of a particular gender or ethnicity needs therapy to address their sexism/racism. “I don’t feel safe around men” has the exact same energy as “I don’t feel safe around black people”.
Is that the best argument you can put forth against what I’m saying? I can give you some more ammunition: I’m queer, disabled, atheist, an immigrant and vote green. Or perhaps those are collectives that you don’t feel comfortable discriminating openly.
Yes, racially exclusive associations are gross. Same with events that exclude attendance based on sex/gender. We are all people.
There’s a time and a place.
For example, a “women’s only” group may be for a group of women who are healing from a sexually violent relationship, so they really don’t want to see men there.
But a parent and child group that excludes races? That just a gross kind of bigotry.
I get what you’re saying, but bear in mind that women can be both in relationships with other women and those can also be violent.
Of course, there is nuance, but I was giving an example based on what I know exists and why.
ITT: a bunch of replies to the above from men who don’t get what the problem is.
Big “not all men” energy. =/
it’s reply guys galore
That’s just sexism though
The women’s only group isn’t necessary
All SA victims are valid regardless of gender
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“Maybe that whites-only parenting group could be healing from some trauma caused by POC and they don’t really want to see POC there.”
Do you see the problem? A POC causing you trauma is not a good reason to reject POC people in general, and a man causing you trauma isn’t a good reason to reject men in general either.
A group dedicated to victims of domestic violence could easily encompass both men and women who have suffered from it, whether the perpetrators were men or women. Cis & trans, it bears saying.
A person who has a blanket phobia of people of a particular gender or ethnicity needs therapy to address their sexism/racism. “I don’t feel safe around men” has the exact same energy as “I don’t feel safe around black people”.
lol how to identify a dude on the Internet
Is that the best argument you can put forth against what I’m saying? I can give you some more ammunition: I’m queer, disabled, atheist, an immigrant and vote green. Or perhaps those are collectives that you don’t feel comfortable discriminating openly.
That was not an argument, don’t know why you’d think it is one.
I just found it amusing